Major intentions for regionals

[wms]

Ditto, our operation now revolves around operational and maintenance convenience rather than performance and customer service, thus costing us millions in penalties and lost incentives.

 

[248to2.8]

Just give them what they pay for. If the mainline carriers are not willing to pay their regionals enough that they can, in turn, provide a quality product then they simply won't get a quality product.

The problem with that reasoning, is not all the regional carrier pilots are willing to push for that. Look at PSA. They took concessions to get more planes. When you have a pilot group willing to stab their industry brothers and sisters in the back, as well as lower their own pay and standard of living, then they will get all the flying from the mainlines when the rest of us stand up for better working conditions and pay. Plain and simple.

 

[jetstream]

When mainline starts getting enough customer complaints about poor service, missed connections, cancelled flights, and customers leaving they will do something about it.

My job is to move the aircraft and passengers safely from point A to point B. Period.

Plane's broke? Guess you better fix it. Short on crews? Guess you better find more. You signed and unprofitable CPA? Make sure you don't do it again. Etc.

 

[ex j-41]

It's also basic economics. 50 seaters do not work with high oil prices. Then throw in new fatigue and hiring rules, plus 15,000 future openings at 3 legacies. The regional industry is going to change.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Cheaper having 50 people on a 50 seater jet than 50 on a 70.

 

[IBNAV8R]

Cheaper having 50 people on a 50 seater jet than 50 on a 70.

50 people on a 70-seater is probably going to make money. Not the case for 70 people on a 140-seater.

There will always be a market for smaller planes and, until majors can operate them as efficiently as regionals, there will be CPAs and regional airlines. That is, until regionals can no longer staff airplanes.

It's the money, stupid!!

 

[General Lee]

Cheaper having 50 people on a 50 seater jet than 50 on a 70.

Bag fees and premium seats make more money for mainline. 50 seaters can't pay for their own gas.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[BuzzSaw]

Plane's broke? Guess you better fix it. Short on crews? Guess you better find more. You signed and unprofitable CPA? Make sure you don't do it again. Etc.

Plane's broke? Guess you better fix it. Pay me
Short on crews? Guess you better find more. Pay me
You signed and unprofitable CPA? Pay me
Make sure you don't do it again. Pay me

 

[AntiJedi]

50 seaters can't pay for their own gas.

They're machines, so of course they can't, silly willy! :laugh:

Seriously, though, a profit can and does get made on many markets, so it's entirely possible for a 50-seater to earn its own gas. I'm not talking about EAS, either. Unfortunately, at-risk flying revenue is a very small part of the overall operation, so it's hardly noticeable, but if you ask SKYW, Inc., these particular non-EAS routes must be at minimum breaking even, or even have a good profit to keep them around as long as they have.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Bag fees and premium seats make more money for mainline. 50 seaters can't pay for their own gas.


Bye Bye---General Lee

As usual, dumb as dumb can be. Your "own" company put out a white paper explaining regional feed about 10 years ago. Regionals feed widebody (not your moms) planes, bringing pax from long thin regions(LBB) and keep widebody load factors up. Regionals were never intended to be stand alone operations, they morphed into what they are today, wage busting, money machines(for major airlines). So keep on playing your broken record, and don't let the facts get in the way.
Regional pilots were shoved under the lav truck wheels by prior mainline pilots and are pimped by the current mainline pilots.
So go ahead and have another sundae whipped up by your lead stew(mom), fat boy.....

 

[General Lee]

As usual, dumb as dumb can be. Your "own" company put out a white paper explaining regional feed about 10 years ago. Regionals feed widebody (not your moms) planes, bringing pax from long thin regions(LBB) and keep widebody load factors up. Regionals were never intended to be stand alone operations, they morphed into what they are today, wage busting, money machines(for major airlines). So keep on playing your broken record, and don't let the facts get in the way.
Regional pilots were shoved under the lav truck wheels by prior mainline pilots and are pimped by the current mainline pilots.
So go ahead and have another sundae whipped up by your lead stew(mom), fat boy.....

Hi PBR, wrong again. Things have changed in 10 years. First, consolidation has gotten rid of competitors, allowing bigger profits and more stability. Bag fees and change fees have "taken off" only in the last few years, something that wasn't around when you guys ruled the skies after the legacy BKs. Now the legacies are back in charge, and they have bought a lot of their own RJs, and award new contracts based on lowest cost.

Next, mainlines are getting smaller planes to cover and recapture previous mainline routes given to the Regionals. Mainline pilot groups aren't giving as much scope relief due to higher profits, and the airlines can now see that remaining larger RJs (70/76 seats) can cover outgoing 50 seaters that can't make money due to high oil. Then the smaller new mainline planes (DL 717s and AA 319s) swoop in and recapture routes that were given to you guys. Overall, more 50s will be parked than incoming 76 seaters will be added, meaning Regional shrinking, and mainline growth. Look at DTW to TVC (Traverse City, MI) this Summer. 4 daily mainline 717s and one RJ, vs last year 5 RJs and one overnighting mainline. Same type of examples at AA with new A319s.

Plus, add huge retirements coming and a mass exodus fleeing the Regionals toward the 15,000 job openings at the big 3 alone, and your side of the industry is in trouble, not to mention new hiring rules and fatigue rules, plus fewer commercial pilot license applications. Where will your airline get newhires this year, next, and the years after that? Very few can afford now a Riddle education, and the Military isn't producing as many pilots (lots of drone drivers).


PBR, what will you do? You obviously see things are changing. Maybe you and Jon Ravioli will be the last two there? You never know, and further consolidation may happen at your airline too, but the last one got you two airlines with mostly 50 seaters that will get parked sooner than later. Still, migrating pilots upward and away from your airline will continue to add huge pressure to the bottom line. DL will lose 800 pilots per year (2020-2023) for 4 years, and then over 600 in 2024. That's 4000 in 5 years. That will be expensive too, but DL can use the fees to pay for it, whereas your airline doesn't get any of the bag or change fees, rather a flat fee for departure for most, and a few at risk flights. Still, migrating pilots will really hit the bottom line, and if I were you, I'd look for other options, unless you can't for some reason...


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Really Genny,
You are sitting in your moms basement, while I am sitting in a hotel on a trip. The reality of the situation is, the industry does whatever it thinks will secure the best ROI, pilots are just cost units to be managed. If SKYW is flying for a major, it's because the major wants them to, because in the bottom line it works. If it didn't they would find a way al la Freedum, and nullify the contracts that way.
DAL could void the SKYW contract by simply hiring 600-1000 SKYW pilot to insure that they didn't get caught short by "the pilot shortage", and wait for the failure to satisfy the contract moment then, Freedum SKYW. UAL could do the same, it was done to Freedum, so it's not like it's a secret process.
They haven't done it yet, doesn't mean they won't, if they do then, that's what they do. Nothing I can do except take my skills to another field, I have a couple of options, do you? I guess you could shake the Olive Garden sign instead of Pizza Hut one.

 

[Flyin2low]

Bag fees and premium seats make more money for mainline. 50 seaters can't pay for their own gas.


Bye Bye---General Lee

What if you fly them at Long Range Cruise?

 

[Oakum_Boy]

If you fly at .65 Mach, it's a money maker.

Problem is: sectors are blocked too low; ATC hates it; outstation ops will screw you every time, requiring you to fly Mach .77 to make up the 8 minutes you lost waiting to get parked and pushed. Multiply this 7 X day and you get the idea...

 

[General Lee]

Really Genny,
You are sitting in your moms basement, while I am sitting in a hotel on a trip. The reality of the situation is, the industry does whatever it thinks will secure the best ROI, pilots are just cost units to be managed. If SKYW is flying for a major, it's because the major wants them to, because in the bottom line it works. If it didn't they would find a way al la Freedum, and nullify the contracts that way.
DAL could void the SKYW contract by simply hiring 600-1000 SKYW pilot to insure that they didn't get caught short by "the pilot shortage", and wait for the failure to satisfy the contract moment then, Freedum SKYW. UAL could do the same, it was done to Freedum, so it's not like it's a secret process.
They haven't done it yet, doesn't mean they won't, if they do then, that's what they do. Nothing I can do except take my skills to another field, I have a couple of options, do you? I guess you could shake the Olive Garden sign instead of Pizza Hut one.

No PBR, SKW currently flies most of the West Coast flights for DL because SKW has bases and assets out West. But, that is changing. Compass now has an LAX base thanks to mainline 717s being introduced in DTW, taking current Compass routes. Compass has steadily taken a lot of previous SKW CR9 routes, like all of the LAX-SFO flights. This will continue as more 717s push E175s out of DTW as they come online. As far as hiring goes, DL hiring is just starting, mainly with Mesaba and Compass flow ups. When things really ramp up coming up here, that's when Regional Capts will be in high demand, at all 3 legacies. The problem you guys have now is not Capts leaving, but fewer people showing up for initial classes. Didn't you see the memo your company sent to current Republic pilots? Talk about desperate. Not enough getting hired combined EVENTUALLY with many at the top leaving, and that spells trouble.

Hey, did you hear 2 daily 717s will be flying AUS to LAX starting June 16th? That's just the start too.

And you have a couple other skills? Really? Creative writing is not one of them. I don't really need another one, I have almost 5000 pilots junior to me. Not bad!! And I'm in your Mom's basement. I think she is waving at me right now with both hands. Wait, those aren't hands.....




Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Lynxman]

Look at DTW to TVC (Traverse City, MI) this Summer. 4 daily mainline 717s and one RJ, vs last year 5 RJs and one overnighting mainline. Same type of examples at AA with new A319s.

Not sure where you're seeing this all I see is RJ's and 1 mainline flight.

 

[General Lee]

Not sure where you're seeing this all I see is RJ's and 1 mainline flight.

It's loaded in the desktop timetable. Here are the rest of the flights out of TVC starting June 9th: all seasonal


DTW - 5 flights/day; 4x 717, 1x CRJ
MSP - 3-4 flight/day, 3x CRJ, 1x A319
ATL - 1-2 weekly; CR7 on Sat/Sun
LGA - 4x per week; 1x CR7 Fri & 3x CR7 Sat


It also stated 2 daily 717s from AUS to LAX and back starting June 16th.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[WMUSIGPI]

It's loaded in the desktop timetable. Here are the rest of the flights out of TVC starting June 9th: all seasonal


DTW - 5 flights/day; 4x 717, 1x CRJ
MSP - 3-4 flight/day, 3x CRJ, 1x A319
ATL - 1-2 weekly; CR7 on Sat/Sun
LGA - 4x per week; 1x CR7 Fri & 3x CR7 Sat


It also stated 2 daily 717s from AUS to LAX and back starting June 16th.



Bye Bye---General Lee

So basically Delta is getting close to doing what Northwest did years ago.... YAWN. I'd rather they figure out the de-peaking model NWA had in the hubs so I don't have to keep sitting in the pad for an hour in GRR or SBN. Among the many other ways Delta took NWA back 20 years to merge.

 

[General Lee]

So basically Delta is getting close to doing what Northwest did years ago.... YAWN. I'd rather they figure out the de-peaking model NWA had in the hubs so I don't have to keep sitting in the pad for an hour in GRR or SBN. Among the many other ways Delta took NWA back 20 years to merge.

Ouch...grouchy..... Look, DL is now a money making machine with a HAPPIER employee group overall, something NWA never really had. They were the "Cobras" that would "strike at anything." Not anymore, those senior FNWA pilots are now happier with bases in LA, ATL, SLC, etc and don't have to fly out of MSP or DTW anymore. A much happier group of pilots now, with better chances for higher pay and benefits. Maybe someday you will join too, but don't use that attitude at the interview. Good luck.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Freebrd]

Hey Jenny, I heard y'all are getting 717s! Is that correct?

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Hey Jenny, I heard y'all are getting 717s! Is that correct?

Will they fit in his mom's basement?