Major intentions for regionals

[PBRstreetgang]

Really Genny,
You are sitting in your moms basement, while I am sitting in a hotel on a trip. The reality of the situation is, the industry does whatever it thinks will secure the best ROI, pilots are just cost units to be managed. If SKYW is flying for a major, it's because the major wants them to, because in the bottom line it works. If it didn't they would find a way al la Freedum, and nullify the contracts that way.
DAL could void the SKYW contract by simply hiring 600-1000 SKYW pilot to insure that they didn't get caught short by "the pilot shortage", and wait for the failure to satisfy the contract moment then, Freedum SKYW. UAL could do the same, it was done to Freedum, so it's not like it's a secret process.
They haven't done it yet, doesn't mean they won't, if they do then, that's what they do. Nothing I can do except take my skills to another field, I have a couple of options, do you? I guess you could shake the Olive Garden sign instead of Pizza Hut one.

 

[Flyin2low]

Bag fees and premium seats make more money for mainline. 50 seaters can't pay for their own gas.


Bye Bye---General Lee

What if you fly them at Long Range Cruise?

 

[Oakum_Boy]

If you fly at .65 Mach, it's a money maker.

Problem is: sectors are blocked too low; ATC hates it; outstation ops will screw you every time, requiring you to fly Mach .77 to make up the 8 minutes you lost waiting to get parked and pushed. Multiply this 7 X day and you get the idea...

 

[General Lee]

Really Genny,
You are sitting in your moms basement, while I am sitting in a hotel on a trip. The reality of the situation is, the industry does whatever it thinks will secure the best ROI, pilots are just cost units to be managed. If SKYW is flying for a major, it's because the major wants them to, because in the bottom line it works. If it didn't they would find a way al la Freedum, and nullify the contracts that way.
DAL could void the SKYW contract by simply hiring 600-1000 SKYW pilot to insure that they didn't get caught short by "the pilot shortage", and wait for the failure to satisfy the contract moment then, Freedum SKYW. UAL could do the same, it was done to Freedum, so it's not like it's a secret process.
They haven't done it yet, doesn't mean they won't, if they do then, that's what they do. Nothing I can do except take my skills to another field, I have a couple of options, do you? I guess you could shake the Olive Garden sign instead of Pizza Hut one.

No PBR, SKW currently flies most of the West Coast flights for DL because SKW has bases and assets out West. But, that is changing. Compass now has an LAX base thanks to mainline 717s being introduced in DTW, taking current Compass routes. Compass has steadily taken a lot of previous SKW CR9 routes, like all of the LAX-SFO flights. This will continue as more 717s push E175s out of DTW as they come online. As far as hiring goes, DL hiring is just starting, mainly with Mesaba and Compass flow ups. When things really ramp up coming up here, that's when Regional Capts will be in high demand, at all 3 legacies. The problem you guys have now is not Capts leaving, but fewer people showing up for initial classes. Didn't you see the memo your company sent to current Republic pilots? Talk about desperate. Not enough getting hired combined EVENTUALLY with many at the top leaving, and that spells trouble.

Hey, did you hear 2 daily 717s will be flying AUS to LAX starting June 16th? That's just the start too.

And you have a couple other skills? Really? Creative writing is not one of them. I don't really need another one, I have almost 5000 pilots junior to me. Not bad!! And I'm in your Mom's basement. I think she is waving at me right now with both hands. Wait, those aren't hands.....




Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Lynxman]

Look at DTW to TVC (Traverse City, MI) this Summer. 4 daily mainline 717s and one RJ, vs last year 5 RJs and one overnighting mainline. Same type of examples at AA with new A319s.

Not sure where you're seeing this all I see is RJ's and 1 mainline flight.

 

[General Lee]

Not sure where you're seeing this all I see is RJ's and 1 mainline flight.

It's loaded in the desktop timetable. Here are the rest of the flights out of TVC starting June 9th: all seasonal


DTW - 5 flights/day; 4x 717, 1x CRJ
MSP - 3-4 flight/day, 3x CRJ, 1x A319
ATL - 1-2 weekly; CR7 on Sat/Sun
LGA - 4x per week; 1x CR7 Fri & 3x CR7 Sat


It also stated 2 daily 717s from AUS to LAX and back starting June 16th.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[WMUSIGPI]

It's loaded in the desktop timetable. Here are the rest of the flights out of TVC starting June 9th: all seasonal


DTW - 5 flights/day; 4x 717, 1x CRJ
MSP - 3-4 flight/day, 3x CRJ, 1x A319
ATL - 1-2 weekly; CR7 on Sat/Sun
LGA - 4x per week; 1x CR7 Fri & 3x CR7 Sat


It also stated 2 daily 717s from AUS to LAX and back starting June 16th.



Bye Bye---General Lee

So basically Delta is getting close to doing what Northwest did years ago.... YAWN. I'd rather they figure out the de-peaking model NWA had in the hubs so I don't have to keep sitting in the pad for an hour in GRR or SBN. Among the many other ways Delta took NWA back 20 years to merge.

 

[General Lee]

So basically Delta is getting close to doing what Northwest did years ago.... YAWN. I'd rather they figure out the de-peaking model NWA had in the hubs so I don't have to keep sitting in the pad for an hour in GRR or SBN. Among the many other ways Delta took NWA back 20 years to merge.

Ouch...grouchy..... Look, DL is now a money making machine with a HAPPIER employee group overall, something NWA never really had. They were the "Cobras" that would "strike at anything." Not anymore, those senior FNWA pilots are now happier with bases in LA, ATL, SLC, etc and don't have to fly out of MSP or DTW anymore. A much happier group of pilots now, with better chances for higher pay and benefits. Maybe someday you will join too, but don't use that attitude at the interview. Good luck.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Freebrd]

Hey Jenny, I heard y'all are getting 717s! Is that correct?

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Hey Jenny, I heard y'all are getting 717s! Is that correct?

Will they fit in his mom's basement?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Will they fit in his mom's basement?

Do you mean her basement or "her basement"? Ask Genny for the former and Uncle Steve for the latter.....

 

[budd]

I don't see that at all. Consolidation has created 3 power houses!



GL, You don't see much retard!! The 3 power houses are your Mom and dads, your Grandpa and Grandmas and your Aunt and Uncles!!!!! free internet and pizza!!!! No one on this planet can have that many post on a website and hold a full time job!!! Did they start to consolidate your pizza and internet time? You poor fukker!!

 

[General Lee]

I don't see that at all. Consolidation has created 3 power houses!



GL, You don't see much retard!! The 3 power houses are your Mom and dads, your Grandpa and Grandmas and your Aunt and Uncles!!!!! free internet and pizza!!!! No one on this planet can have that many post on a website and hold a full time job!!! Did they start to consolidate your pizza and internet time? You poor fukker!!

Wow, you're cool!! So, who are you again? Oh, wait, you're a NOBODY. Bye Elmer Dudd!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Hey Jenny, I heard y'all are getting 717s! Is that correct?

Yeah, DL is getting 88 of them, and you have no chance of flying any of them. Vietnam may be calling you again, this time right seat on an ATR-72.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[AntiJedi]

No PBR, SKW currently flies most of the West Coast flights for DL because SKW has bases and assets out West. But, that is changing. Compass now has an LAX base thanks to mainline 717s being introduced in DTW, taking current Compass routes. Compass has steadily taken a lot of previous SKW CR9 routes, like all of the LAX-SFO flights.

Yes, and no. The E-175s are going on "premium" routes, but the CR9's are still staying west coast. Have you paid attention to SEA lately? There's where all of the shifted assets are going.

And they can keep LAX-SFO. As if dealing with UA to SFO wasn't bad enough.

 

[JumpersAway]

Several years ago, I was of the opinion that the regional airlines would eventually be absorbed by their mainline partners. However the more I look at it, and the more I think about it, I highly doubt this to be true. Even if this were to occur, by the time it did, most of the pilots will have already made the move, and those that stayed at a regional would find themselves being absorbed to the bottom of a VERY long list. In short- much better to just get out at the first opportunity, long before this scenario becomes an option.

Truthfully, I think the major airlines will eventually have to absorb the 76 seat flying, in order to cover this market. It is my opinion, that in order to attract pilots, there will have to be a mainline carrot. I feel that the majors will look long and hard at hiring their own pilots to fill these vacancies, as the 76 seaters come off contract with their regional partners. We will see which airline does this first, but I'm convinced the days of the large RJ's at regional partners is growing darker by the year.

 

[Mercyful Fate]

Several years ago, I was of the opinion that the regional airlines would eventually be absorbed by their mainline partners. However the more I look at it, and the more I think about it, I highly doubt this to be true. Even if this were to occur, by the time it did, most of the pilots will have already made the move, and those that stayed at a regional would find themselves being absorbed to the bottom of a VERY long list. In short- much better to just get out at the first opportunity, long before this scenario becomes an option.

Truthfully, I think the major airlines will eventually have to absorb the 76 seat flying, in order to cover this market. It is my opinion, that in order to attract pilots, there will have to be a mainline carrot. I feel that the majors will look long and hard at hiring their own pilots to fill these vacancies, as the 76 seaters come off contract with their regional partners. We will see which airline does this first, but I'm convinced the days of the large RJ's at regional partners is growing darker by the year.

Majors have bigger fish to fry than to worry about taking on the less than 100 seat market..If anything, I would be willing to bet you see regionals continuing to fill this niche...

 

[Freebrd]

Yeah, DL is getting 88 of them, and you have no chance of flying any of them. Vietnam may be calling you again, this time right seat on an ATR-72.



Bye Bye---General Lee

Cool....I'll go back, it was fun. Especially w/ the opposite sex, of which you know nothing of you putz!

 

[Uncle Bunkle]

There was a guy at the last AeroCrew job fair wearing cowboy boots....bet he doesn't get a call for the interview...

 

[General Lee]

Yes, and no. The E-175s are going on "premium" routes, but the CR9's are still staying west coast. Have you paid attention to SEA lately? There's where all of the shifted assets are going.

And they can keep LAX-SFO. As if dealing with UA to SFO wasn't bad enough.

Uhhhhh, the plan will be more of your CR9s will be moving back to SLC routes, as Compass fills in more North to South West Coast. The President of Delta stated the plan was to eliminate single class cabins at the SLC hub within the next couple years, meaning fewer 50 seaters. And, rumors abound that some 717s may find their way West, with the first two flights recently announced to LAX from AUS. More will likely follow, and that should help move planes back to SLC.


Btw, DL deals with UA all over the World, and they add service where they think they can make money and take market share. I think they can figure it out...



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Cool....I'll go back, it was fun. Especially w/ the opposite sex, of which you know nothing of you putz!

So, what was his name? Have fun, lady! :0


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Majors have bigger fish to fry than to worry about taking on the less than 100 seat market..If anything, I would be willing to bet you see regionals continuing to fill this niche...

Well look, Mercy ACTUALLY tries to contribute with an opinion. The regionals will fill the niche if they can find enough crews after the Captains get hired away and if they can bring newhires in to replace outgoing crews. It will be very expensive for the Regionals, each outgoing Capt will necessitates an upgrade to replace him/her, and a newhire to replace the FO who is upgrading. There will be 15,000 openings to higher paying and better benefit (including retirement fund) jobs.

Will the legacies bring the regionals into the fold? Only if it is cheaper and the mainline pilots allow it. The contract says otherwise and so far the mainline managements prefer the whipsaw for lower costs.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[AntiJedi]

The President of Delta stated the plan was to eliminate single class cabins at the SLC hub within the next couple years, meaning fewer 50 seaters.

Under contract, which says nothing of at-risk. According to Delta, the E-120 doesn't exist, either.

Btw, DL deals with UA all over the World, and they add service where they think they can make money and take market share. I think they can figure it out...

Which says to me that you have no idea what I meant by what I said.

 

[General Lee]

Under contract, which says nothing of at-risk. According to Delta, the E-120 doesn't exist, either.



Which says to me that you have no idea what I meant by what I said.

Your props to SUN are around because currently they are the largest plane you have that can fly in there. Your "at risk" flying is just that, and DL obviously didn't have faith in some of that, or it wouldn't be "at risk." Fingers crossed!

The interesting thing with UAL is that they too are discovering the same thing RA has figured out, and Doug Parker too, and that is 50 seaters are too expensive. (Look at CLE for example). Hopefully you don't have too many.... Wait, wait, never mind.....

As far as dealing with UA, most SKW pilots I talk to like the DL flying compared to the UA side. It's a better run operation at the hubs supposedly.

Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[rtmcfi]

Your props to SUN are around because currently they are the largest plane you have that can fly in there.

Bye Bye---General Lee

Umm, WRONG!

Check today's schedule SLC-SUN. You guys have outsourced so much of your flying you can't keep track. Debate that, master.

 

[Freebrd]

. And, rumors abound that some 717s may find their way West, with the first two flights recently announced to LAX from AUS. More will likely follow, and that should help move planes back to SLC.
Bye Bye---General Lee

Deltahhh has Boeing 717s? When did that happen? C'mon Jenny, you usually let us know things like this, you know, Deltahhh getting 787s, 777s, but man, you must have dropped the ball on the 717s. Who knew?

 

[Freebrd]

So, what was his name? Have fun, lady! :0
Bye Bye---General Lee

Wow that's rich Jenny, weak, but rich. Putz!

 

[Freebrd]

Well look, Mercy ACTUALLY tries to contribute with an opinion. Bye Bye---General Lee

Of course Mercy does putz! It's your alter ego, but keep playing it. You are really a fool, putz.

 

[Kaman]

Saw DL 717 in EWR yesterday....

 

[Freebrd]

Was it a Deltahhh Connection bird, or the big boy airline bird? I know Jenny says Deltahhh has 717s but most of her crap, well, is crap, or copied & pasted many many times. But, 717s at Deltahhh, wow, that would be huge.