Looks like SKW doesn't want to park 50 seaters

[DDpaysoff]

hence why they wont try. The will just "codeshare" with someone

Bullseye! That's Delta managements loophole. Skywest brands and does point to point west coast flying, sells delta seats, codeshare. The scope will deal with the fee for departure and Skywest becomes the next alaska airlines. They're sitting on close to a billion and all they know how to do over there in St. George is make money so I'm sure it wont be a challenge to negotiate a nice deal for skyw from those dumbass atlanta dipsh1ts.

 

[amcnd]

All SkyWest is doing is telling Delta it wont roll over for them... They have some things in the contract that may "help" them strong arm Delta alittle.. In the end they will help Delta do what they want.. But they won't just give in to something that won't make them more money, then ridding out the current contracts do... Will it be 1-1 or 2-1. Don't know. But i can tell you they wont go for anyting that is'nt equal to what there getting now...

 

[Data]

Why shouldn't Skywest posture at this point? They've got the money and the size to do it. If anything it just forces Delta to move down to the next guy and take his toys away. Who is the next guy with all the 50s? Pinnacle and Comair (15 by year end, is that correct?). Wouldn't you play hard ball to let others in a lesser position accept bigger hits? Then perhaps Skywest can accept more 700s/900s at a more even swap, ie 1 for 1.

 

[CRJ puppy]

Why shouldn't Skywest posture at this point? They've got the money and the size to do it. If anything it just forces Delta to move down to the next guy and take his toys away. Who is the next guy with all the 50s? Pinnacle and Comair (15 by year end, is that correct?). Wouldn't you play hard ball to let others in a lesser position accept bigger hits? Then perhaps Skywest can accept more 700s/900s at a more even swap, ie 1 for 1.

(As has been previously discussed), Comair's 16 50 seaters are already scheduled to be returned by the end of 2015 at the end of their leases. So they don't factor into any trades...

 

[asayankee]

If I sign an agreement with my mailman and lawn guy to not pay my mortgage....I can assure you Bank of America will not give a damn! An agreement between Delta and it's pilots cannot legally force a third party (ie Skywest) to void or change their current contract. As long as Skywest meets all performance criteria Delta cannot simply remove a/c at their whim. Skywest controls the leases on those a/c and the leases are designed to mirror the contract terms with Delta's agreement. Unless Delta wants to pony up some serious money to break their contract and cover the leases.....move on to to the next contract carrier whom you either own (Comair), or control the leases/mortgages on the aircraft the regional operates, or are in the drivers seat through bankruptcy/DIP financing (Pinnacle/Mesaba/Colgan).

 

[ex j-41]

Anyone else see the smoke and mirrors?
It isn't about the efficiency or inefficiency of the 50 seaters. It's about delta using that as a way to get rid of the smaller airplanes and get larger ones. It's about Delta outsourcing larger airplanes to regional carriers. And outsourcing jobs. Why do you think they offered Delta pilots a big raise?

 

[Texx]

Bullseye! That's Delta managements loophole. Skywest brands and does point to point west coast flying, sells delta seats, codeshare. The scope will deal with the fee for departure and Skywest becomes the next alaska airlines. They're sitting on close to a billion and all they know how to do over there in St. George is make money so I'm sure it wont be a challenge to negotiate a nice deal for skyw from those dumbass atlanta dipsh1ts.

DING DING DING 3 to 5 years!

 

[Texx]

My crystal balls says.....DAL and SKYW agree to a 2 for 1 using "900s" that are currently being operated for DAL by a current DCI airline. Then DAL leases those said 50s back to SKYW to be operated at AE.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...s-to-50-seat-jets-for-bankruptcy-exit-370288/

Paragraph 5.

 

[HoserASA]

YOU don't have balls!

 

[Texx]

YOU don't have balls!

That's right. I had one removed. My crystal BALL!

 

[HoserASA]

haha you crazy man

 

[CRJ puppy]

My crystal balls says....

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...s-to-50-seat-jets-for-bankruptcy-exit-370288/

Paragraph 5.

That article is from 3 April '12. Many things have changed since then as stated by Pinnacle's mgmt, including the expectation that they will be flying few 200's. Since Delta "owns" the leases on those planes, expect them to take the aircraft, return to the EDC/Bombardier for 900's and then use those 900's in vsrious trades with Skywest/Expressjet.

 

[SPDBRD747400]

When will Delta allocate those -900's anyway?

 

[CRJ puppy]

When will Delta allocate those -900's anyway?

As the 717's come on line...(16 in 2013, 36 in 2014 and final 36 in 2015 for the 88 total). Obviously the yearly allotment of 900's is slightly lower since that total is only 70.

 

[HelloNewman]

SkyWest can play strong all they want but if they do not do as they are told then they WILL lose at the end of the contract. This is why I left the regional industry because you are at the mercy of your master(mainline) and if you do not play ball then when contracts end you will lose your delta flying and there is nothing you can do about it except learn how to be a commuter or move out of SLC. Mainline wants to get rid of 50 seaters and guess which company has the most of them........ Tread lightly, BTW the pilot shortage thing is just a myth. The majors have done a lot of consolidation to be more efficent. The next round of consolidation is in the regional businesss, therefore, we will not have a pilot shortage. There is much consolidation left to be done. There will never be a shortage of pilots as long as consolidation keeps going down.