Looks like SKW doesn't want to park 50 seaters

[wms]

With capacity shifting back to ml, these scope arguments are pointless. In a decade there will be little to no regional flying due to lack of staffing caused by ml taking all the rj pilots, no new pilots, and the eventual lowering of requirements at ml to meet their own staffing needs. With a need for 460k additional pilots in the next 20 years the regionals will be sucked dry and the majors will be desperate very soon.

The bell tolls for airline mgmts that have spent the last decade degrading our profession.

 

[Jon Rivoli]

With capacity shifting back to ml, these scope arguments are pointless. In a decade there will be little to no regional flying due to lack of staffing caused by ml taking all the rj pilots, no new pilots, and the eventual lowering of requirements at ml to meet their own staffing needs. With a need for 460k additional pilots in the next 20 years the regionals will be sucked dry and the majors will be desperate very soon.

The bell tolls for airline mgmts that have spent the last decade degrading our profession.

Well the first logical, obvious step to address this "pilot shortage" is to end the age discrimination that forces our most experienced pilots to retire prematurely.

Just watch, it's going to happen.

 

[xjhawk]

The general health of the average pilot will still force most to retire well before 70. So even if they pass an age 70 rule it should only sting a little. Here is the problem with this "pilot shortage". Even if the majors need to hire 10,000 in the next 10 years there is still 20,000 or so regional pilots out there. Not exactly a shortage but it will be easier to get a job. Thats not if the trend continues with HR's making deals to scoop up the best brand new college grads to take those empty right seats in an airbus. What will happen is the regionals will continue to shrink or disappear and only a few will be left. Not to mention with the scope level being set by Delta will mean that American and United will have similar contracts. Not to say it will be more or less restrictive but it will be similar. So unless there is some end around code share for domestic I do not see an answer for regionals to get pilots. The ATP and 1500 hours will be very restrictive and only the most desirable of regionals will be getting pilots

Thats why the Pinnacle bankruptcy will not be just a shot to the pilot group, but in the end it will kill the company. Who will want to even apply to a company that has a history of being poorly ran and crapped on by Delta (NWA)? WHo will want to get hired by a company who will have 10 year FO's and cannot hold on to pilots because of crappy work rules and pay? Who will want to work at a company that only has bases in DTW, MSP, NYC unless you live near those places? Oh by the way I think MEM is on its way out very soon.

 

[russtgol]

We were talking about ADDITIONAL 76 seaters via the DL pilot contract. Looks like your airline won't play ball, so I doubt you will see them and the associated pay raises that come with those larger planes.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Yes, but who really cares?

 

[russtgol]

That's great news!


Bye Bye---General Lee

Yes the news is really great!

 

[russtgol]

Your Brad Holt stated he would have to abide by the scope clauses, even with those MRJs. So, we'll see........ If you want to become the next Indy Air, then go for it.



Bye Bye---General Lee

Would you like to debate this in my bounce house?

 

[General Lee]

The general health of the average pilot will still force most to retire well before 70. So even if they pass an age 70 rule it should only sting a little. Here is the problem with this "pilot shortage". Even if the majors need to hire 10,000 in the next 10 years there is still 20,000 or so regional pilots out there. Not exactly a shortage but it will be easier to get a job. Thats not if the trend continues with HR's making deals to scoop up the best brand new college grads to take those empty right seats in an airbus. What will happen is the regionals will continue to shrink or disappear and only a few will be left. Not to mention with the scope level being set by Delta will mean that American and United will have similar contracts. Not to say it will be more or less restrictive but it will be similar. So unless there is some end around code share for domestic I do not see an answer for regionals to get pilots. The ATP and 1500 hours will be very restrictive and only the most desirable of regionals will be getting pilots

Thats why the Pinnacle bankruptcy will not be just a shot to the pilot group, but in the end it will kill the company. Who will want to even apply to a company that has a history of being poorly ran and crapped on by Delta (NWA)? WHo will want to get hired by a company who will have 10 year FO's and cannot hold on to pilots because of crappy work rules and pay? Who will want to work at a company that only has bases in DTW, MSP, NYC unless you live near those places? Oh by the way I think MEM is on its way out very soon.

Sorry, you forgot about ATL, SLC, LAX, and SEA bases. If merger consolidation continues, a few more could be added. Flying at mainline really is great. Great variety, a recent pay raise, and unbelievable retirement numbers coming up in the next couple years. Getting on during the first hiring wave will really help with anyone's QOL, maybe being on reserve a very short time, and then being a line holder for the rest of your career if you want. (it's up to you what you bid) Good things coming up. Good luck!



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Freebrd]

but you keep giving in on scope Jenny, how are we supposed to move over?

 

[Flyguy1226]

Great variety, a recent pay raise, and unbelievable retirement numbers coming up in the next couple years.

Pay raise... Lol!

 

[General Lee]

Pay raise... Lol!

I'd say 16.5% from Jan 1st, 2012 to Jan 1st 2013(1 year) isn't bad. How have you done?


Bye Bye--General Lee