Logging flight time

[sigler]

I was wondering how do you gus go about logging instrument approaches and landings; do you only log the ones you fly as PF or do you log the ones you're PNF also? And how about instrument time, is it even worth logging it in 121 ops? Thanks.

 

[Chairman]

The only approach you might be able to log as PNF might be a CAT II. Same with instrument if your not flying you are really not sole manipulator

 

[GuppyWN]

"Log" might be a stretch but I do keep track of approaches flown and IMC when I'M the PF.

Haven't added it up in 10 years but the way this business goes I'd like to at least have the records.

Gup

 

[TWA Dude]

Two separate questions: what can you log and what should you log?

Lots of debate over what you can legally log and it's frankly not worth it. I recommend being very conservative because at this point in the game you've no need to impress anybody. Technique only, but I only log instrument time, approaches, and landings I perform myself. And I only log the approach if I encountered IMC from the FAF inbound. And autopilot use is irrelevant.

If in doubt don't log it and nobody will ever care.

 

[LearLove]

Technique only, but I only log instrument time, approaches, and landings I perform myself. And I only log the approach if I encountered IMC from the FAF inbound. And autopilot use is irrelevant.

Same here, I log:

-landings when I'm the PF
-inst. apps. when I'm the PF and flown (AP or hand) from the FAF inbound
-IMC when in actual IMC and I'm the PF
-night when it is night (obviously) and I'm either the PF or NPF

 

[QCappy]

Same here, I log:

-landings when I'm the PF
-inst. apps. when I'm the PF and flown (AP or hand) from the FAF inbound
-IMC when in actual IMC and I'm the PF
-night when it is night (obviously) and I'm either the PF or NPF

I log it the same way, also.

 

[Mr Wu]

IMC is a flight condition, just like night. Doesn't matter if you are the PF or PM.

 

[QCappy]

§ 61.51 Pilot logbooks.

(g) Logging instrument time. (1) A person may log instrument time only for that flight time when the person operates the aircraft solely by reference to instruments under actual or simulated instrument flight conditions.
(2) An authorized instructor may log instrument time when conducting instrument flight instruction in actual instrument flight conditions.
(3) For the purposes of logging instrument time to meet the recent instrument experience requirements of §61.57(c) of this part, the following information must be recorded in the person's logbook—
(i) The location and type of each instrument approach accomplished; and
(ii) The name of the safety pilot, if required.
(4) A person can use time in a flight simulator, flight training device, or aviation training device for acquiring instrument aeronautical experience for a pilot certificate, rating, or instrument recency experience, provided an authorized instructor is present to observe that time and signs the person's logbook or training record to verify the time and the content of the training session.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Same here, I log:

-landings when I'm the PF
-inst. apps. when I'm the PF and flown (AP or hand) from the FAF inbound
-IMC when in actual IMC and I'm the PF
-night when it is night (obviously) and I'm either the PF or NPF

Ditto.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Same here, I log:

-landings when I'm the PF
-inst. apps. when I'm the PF and flown (AP or hand) from the FAF inbound
-IMC when in actual IMC and I'm the PF
-night when it is night (obviously) and I'm either the PF or NPF

Me, too.

 

[sigler]

Thanks for the answers guys. Since I only update my logbook every few months, I'm not sure what to do about IMC though. It's kinda hard to remember...

 

[regionalcap]

Thanks for the answers guys. Since I only update my logbook every few months, I'm not sure what to do about IMC though. It's kinda hard to remember...

Does it really matter though?

 

[Mr Wu]

§ 61.51 Pilot logbooks.

(g) Logging instrument time. (1) A person may log instrument time only for that flight time when the person operates the aircraft solely by reference to instruments under actual or simulated instrument flight conditions.
(2) An authorized instructor may log instrument time when conducting instrument flight instruction in actual instrument flight conditions.
(3) For the purposes of logging instrument time to meet the recent instrument experience requirements of §61.57(c) of this part, the following information must be recorded in the person's logbook—
(i) The location and type of each instrument approach accomplished; and
(ii) The name of the safety pilot, if required.
(4) A person can use time in a flight simulator, flight training device, or aviation training device for acquiring instrument aeronautical experience for a pilot certificate, rating, or instrument recency experience, provided an authorized instructor is present to observe that time and signs the person's logbook or training record to verify the time and the content of the training session.

How many pilots required to operate your 737?

 

[Whine Lover]

Sample Log Book Entries:

- 1997 - B-727 - PIC - 642

- 2005 - B-737 - PIC - 718


Nuff said.

Tain't no use pickin' the fly crap outta' the pepper.


YKMKR

 

[Whine Lover]

" I'm not sure what to do about IMC though. '

Question:

How much time, in large transport category aircraft operations, is the aircraft controlled or maneuvered by outside visual references?

Unrelated Question:

Is an F/E able to log multi-engine time as a required crew member on a transport category multi-engine aircraft?


TOTALLY Unrelated Question:

Can you consider Per Diem as Income and/or part of a total compensation package?


Discuss.....And drive yourselves nuts.



YKMKR

 

[Mike man]

Shouldn't it be more like this:

- 1997 - B-727 - PIC - 642 - W2 - 164,383

- 2005 - B-737 - PIC - 718 - W2 - 119,277

or something to that effect?

or even add a line
- 1987 - COMPANY PROFIT - 800,000,000 - CEO BONUS - 100,000
- 2005 - COMPANY LOSS - 255,000,000 - CEO BONUS - 4,500,000 + stock options, company car, drive, house, county club membership and hush money to keep hookers quiet.

 

[ePilot22]

IMC is a flight condition, just like night. Doesn't matter if you are the PF or PM.

+1.





eP.

 

[MTV]

" I'm not sure what to do about IMC though. '

Question:

How much time, in large transport category aircraft operations, is the aircraft controlled or maneuvered by outside visual references?

Unrelated Question:

Is an F/E able to log multi-engine time as a required crew member on a transport category multi-engine aircraft?


TOTALLY Unrelated Question:

Can you consider Per Diem as Income and/or part of a total compensation package?


Discuss.....And drive yourselves nuts.



YKMKR

I agree with my former brother, I do not spend alot of time looking outside to navigate anymore.

 

[727gm]

Unrelated Question:

Is an F/E able to log multi-engine time as a required crew member on a transport category multi-engine aircraft?

I don't include FE time in ANY column other than FE column. Not ME, XC, Night, total, at all.

 

[Whine Lover]

Trick question.

He is able to log it...But shouldn't.



YKW