I am a low time CFI (350) at a university..Im not getting any multi time and it looks like it will be forever before I do. Have a friend who found a doctor that wanted him to fly his Baron...for for no pay but has built a lot of time doing it. I am willing to work for cheap or even free to build multi, anybody know what the best way to find these types of gigs is?
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Cptn2b said:
Hey you sound like a perfect candidate for the new regionals, willing to work for free and wants to skip all the hassles of actually getting experience.
I hear G O Jets is hiring, you can add union busting to the resume as well!
Slow down and enjoy the ride, There is plenty of time to be screwed over and over by aviation mgmt. The most fun I had in aviation was building the time and flying freight in a Baron. Jets are nice when you are in the air, but on the ground all the rest that goes with it really sucks most of the time.
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Trust me, those "places" are not as cool as you think. There are alot of very high time pilots out of work right now, what makes you think that you deserve a job more than they do? Is it because you will do it for half the price that they would have just to get the time? Thats not a good reason, and will not earn you any bonus points here. Sit back, relax, and enjoy the ride. Each "step" in the process will teach you things, just like your post here should teach you to be patient and everything will work out in the end. There is a quote that someone has on here that says something like "A pilot's career is not about a destination, its about the trip." Keep that in mind as you set off into your new career, and don't step on any toes this early in the game. The people that your stepping on are the people that will be able to help you when you are qualified for those "places" you speak of.
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Captain to be, eeehh?Cptn2b said:
Didn't you just ask US to find these places for you, now your telling us they are there? Well, hot shot.. where are they?
It's not the "site" telling you to pay your dues.. It's the profession.. You freakin 400 hour kids think your entitled to the right seat in an RJ as soon as you have some "time" under your belt.. It's pathetic...
Fly for free today, you'll fly for next to free tomorrow..
Ohh, btw Way2Broke - I happen to think that last post is your best so far, not the header off the building..
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Instruct, dude. You've got 350 hours. You don't know your butt from a hole in the ground yet. You don't get it now, but in another 2000 hours or so, when you're trying to get a job flying that Baron, and some other kid comes along with 350 hours that says he'll do it for free and takes it from you, trust me, you'll get pi$$ed off too.
You'll pay your dues, one way or another. Don't want to instruct for 1000 hours? Try FO-ing on a 135 freighter (Air Cargo Carriers, et. al.). You'll build time quick with your first "real job" anywhere, so don't let your frustration with the slow pace of flight instructing turn you into a dirty little whore.
If you stay in aviation very long, you WILL live to eat your words on this thread. Why are you in such a hurry? Because you want a good job flying a sophisticated airplane with a nice fat paycheck, right? Well, we'd all be a lot closer to our ultimate goal if you desperados would quit giving away the farm and grow some testicles.
In fact, I hereby challenge every commercial pilot reading this to go apply for a job you don't really want but are pretty sure you'd get, go to the interview and ask lots of questions about pay, QOL, maintenance, corporate culture, etc. Take your time, but more importantly, take up lots of their time. Then, when they offer you the job, tell them thanks, but no thanks, and act like you're offended that they wasted your time and expected you to beg for their abuse.
I'm going to go take a shower now...
If you stay in aviation very long, you WILL live to eat your words on this thread. Why are you in such a hurry? Because you want a good job flying a sophisticated airplane with a nice fat paycheck, right? Well, we'd all be a lot closer to our ultimate goal if you desperados would quit giving away the farm and grow some testicles.
In fact, I hereby challenge every commercial pilot reading this to go apply for a job you don't really want but are pretty sure you'd get, go to the interview and ask lots of questions about pay, QOL, maintenance, corporate culture, etc. Take your time, but more importantly, take up lots of their time. Then, when they offer you the job, tell them thanks, but no thanks, and act like you're offended that they wasted your time and expected you to beg for their abuse.
I'm going to go take a shower now...
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Contract Baron pilots around here are making $250-300/day plus expenses.
Even if you were qualified to fly a Baron (which you're not), think about all the friends you'd make around here by offering to fly one for free!
Although with your time, you might be able to find a good gig washing a 58. Lemme know, and I'll write you a nice letter of recommendation.
Even if you were qualified to fly a Baron (which you're not), think about all the friends you'd make around here by offering to fly one for free!
Although with your time, you might be able to find a good gig washing a 58. Lemme know, and I'll write you a nice letter of recommendation.
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Pay those dues. I ferry planes trying to get to my IFR mins but I have to clean them and do other office bs too in exchange. Ive learned so much and dealt with several near emergencies and I realize that Im still a low time puke who doesnt know sh!t. I am excited about flying piston twins and can't wait to make the freight dog status! Enjoy the ride. As hard as I might b!tch sometimes for some of the bs I put up with just to get hours I try very hard to stay humble and realize that Im a lucky SOB to be flying and getting paid, albeit not much.
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At 350 hrs. multi engine time should be the last thing on your mind right now. Why do you want to get the multi time so fast? Lets pretend that for the next 100 hrs. you get all multi engine time, do you really think that's going to matter? Then what? now you'll have 450 TT. What are you going to do with that? IMO, go teach and rack up about 600+ more hrs a as a CFI. When i first started teaching, multi time wasn't even on my mind, I was just so happy to get paid to fly.
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I think he is still reading this post. He's also browsing for jobs flying right seat in a single pilot frieght op where he'll pay several thousand dollars to yank gear and occasionally talk on the radio. He'll get to 1000 tt and expect the regionals to line up to recieve him. After three interviews, he'll sneak by some interview board, work for six months, and find out he can't pay his student loans. He'll quit that, they were screwing him anyway, he'll say, and spend a summer selling insecticide contracts. Then he'll realize he still wants to be a pilot, and will come back here and ask how much he should be paid to fly a Baron (he's not insurable on anythig else). At this point he'll demand $250-$300 a day because he's "paid his dues." I almost forgot the part where he can't get his ATP because his right seat freight time doesn't count for anything and the examiner rejects his qualifications.
Just kidding, he can come work for us. We love his go-get'er attitude!
Just kidding, he can come work for us. We love his go-get'er attitude!
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My advice. . .pay the dues. I'm still paying my dues!! I've had a few ME opportunities pop up here and there, including a right seat passenger gig that I turned down because I refused to pay. Like I said, opportunities pop up. I'm waiting for status as an instructor at a flight school that gives good deals on a Seneca for training right now, and it will work out. You just have to give it time, like a few hundred hours of time. Be more concerned about TT(total time) right now than anything. One more reason why I turned down the right seat turbine job was because I'd be missing out on all the total time, dual instruction given, and lots more fun than being a taxi driver. Better money too, and it's free!!!
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Well since most of you are done bashing this "A$$ capt to be", I'll give it a shot. It really chaps my tail hearing bs like this coming out of someone with 300 hours. Heck I slept behind the controls for longer than that.
Instruction is the single most valuable stage in your career. This is where you finaly learn to fly the dang plane, find out more about what you know and don't, and develop from a secretion into a pilot. Suck it up! Your charachter will only benefit from the day to day bs, dealing with a student with a humble perspective of "the customer is allways right". You actualy have command of your own ship, and nothing teaches command responsibility better than hands on, so take advantage of it. Get you total time, because, where you're trying to go, you'll need that total time, unless you daddy is a CP at a corp outfit somewhere. The multi time will come along in due time and not before. Learn from it and never tell anyone that you'll fly for free, or even for food. This aint a third world country, but pilot pay is getting bad enough to qualify. Never ever post $hit like this:
[Just for everyones information...there are people who get places without being a CFI for 1000 hours..everyone on this whole freakin site seems to use the same stupid "pay your dues line".] -capt2bee
Most of these guys know what it takes to get where ur trying to go, and know it too well. You even pi$$sed off the 400 hour guys in here who are "paying their dues". Take heed of what is said here, and don't step on anyones toes.
Well since most of you are done bashing this "A$$ capt to be", I'll give it a shot. It really chaps my tail hearing bs like this coming out of someone with 300 hours. Heck I slept behind the controls for longer than that.
Instruction is the single most valuable stage in your career. This is where you finaly learn to fly the dang plane, find out more about what you know and don't, and develop from a secretion into a pilot. Suck it up! Your charachter will only benefit from the day to day bs, dealing with a student with a humble perspective of "the customer is allways right". You actualy have command of your own ship, and nothing teaches command responsibility better than hands on, so take advantage of it. Get you total time, because, where you're trying to go, you'll need that total time, unless you daddy is a CP at a corp outfit somewhere. The multi time will come along in due time and not before. Learn from it and never tell anyone that you'll fly for free, or even for food. This aint a third world country, but pilot pay is getting bad enough to qualify. Never ever post $hit like this:
[Just for everyones information...there are people who get places without being a CFI for 1000 hours..everyone on this whole freakin site seems to use the same stupid "pay your dues line".] -capt2bee
Most of these guys know what it takes to get where ur trying to go, and know it too well. You even pi$$sed off the 400 hour guys in here who are "paying their dues". Take heed of what is said here, and don't step on anyones toes.
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