letter from retired AAA captain

[Rez O. Lewshun]

And what exactly does ALPA promise for the future, besides rolling over on cabotage?

You expect ALPA or a group of dysfunctional pilots to stop global market forces? Why would you do that?

ALPA is and always will be about the fat cats on top getting theirs at the expense of the dues-paying majority.

Expect nothing less with the likes of you.... just handing your money over..... never have reading the "how to" book....

 

[JoeMerchant]

You hate ALPA because it is what you wish to be....

Now that's funny.......Why would I wish to become an ineffective organization....I don't "hate" ALPA....I just don't think it is effective.....

you just don't have the skillset and personality to deal with the complex world..... not that ALPA is so great.... but the ALPA volunteers and cheerleaders have one characterstic that you don't.

They are not quitters.

Your starting to come around Rez.....You can now admit that ALPA "isn't so great"......and that you are "fixing ALPA"......The first step is admiting we have a problem.....

I am not a "quiter".....if I was, I wouldn't be here debating you.....I think ALPA either needs to change, or it needs to move on down the road and be replaced.....Don't confuse lack of support for a failed organization with "quiting"......

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Thankyou for this post. It is indicative of the ALPA cheerleader mindset: If you don't agree with us, you're wrong!

Nope. You can disagree. Please do. However, pragmatic ideas and solutions are encouraged. Its like the book critic said to its author "I haven't read your book, but...."

The author replied "perhaps you should"

Way to foster change, Rez. You're going to abandon it just because it goes against your agenda of saving ALPA? How do you know USAPA would not grow into something beneficial?

You are indirectly defending Joe Merchant, an complete and total failure as a pilot career representive. Joe, was elected S/T of his LEC. He didn't attend meetings and the meetings he did attend refused to provide the minutes, which of course is mandated by the C&BL. Joey also sued the pilots because he couldn't effect change as an elected rep.

USAPA will fail b/c it will divide the profession even more. The AMR pilots left because of ego's in the 1950's and we;ve suffered from it. the APA is a pretty weak union.... why would USAPA be better... expecially based on its false foundation... its not the brand... its the leadership....

In a democracy.. what do the "people" do when the candidates for election are both wrong choices?


Those who refuse to participate in politics shall be governed by their inferiors....

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

So far ALPA has shown itself to roll-over for just about any crap that managements want to hand them. ALPA has dug their own grave IMHO.

Why and how do you expect them to "hold the line?"

Pretty obvious that the former US Air pilots don't have much to lose by jumping the sinking ALPA ship.

Why not argue both sides and show us how informed you are on the subject?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Now that's funny.......Why would I wish to become an ineffective organization....I don't "hate" ALPA....I just don't think it is effective.....

Joe...lets' be clear... ALPA maybe ineffective... but you are still less than ALPA's ineffectiveness. As an elected rep how did you make your LEC better butter fingers?

Your starting to come around Rez.....You can now admit that ALPA "isn't so great"......and that you are "fixing ALPA"......The first step is admiting we have a problem.....

I never said ALPA didn't have problems... I just don't quit like you when I don't get my way. I don't sue. I stay at the table of change.

I am not a "quiter".....if I was, I wouldn't be here debating you.....I think ALPA either needs to change, or it needs to move on down the road and be replaced.....Don't confuse lack of support for a failed organization with "quiting"......

Quitter. Anyone else think Joe is a quitter? and a loser for failing his duties as an elected rep and sueing ALPA?

You think ALPA needs to change but you have no idea HOW. That means you are a bottom feeder. You need to be told what to do... you are only smart enough to be stupid and dangerous to all of us... as you have proven with your silly lawsuit and failed elected position.

 

[A350]

ALPA has no problem embracing other pilot unions, why should the USAPA be any different?

A350

 

[CopilotDoug]

USAPA will fail b/c it will divide the profession even more. The AMR pilots left because of ego's in the 1950's and we've suffered from it. the APA is a pretty weak union.... why would USAPA be better... expecially based on its false foundation... its not the brand... its the leadership....

How are the collective airlines of ALPA different from American? Aside from the fact that they are represented by ALPA, they all have their own best interests in mind. The USAir pilots will still have their best interests in mind, just under another banner.

In a democracy.. what do the "people" do when the candidates for election are both wrong choices?

My pragmatic idea to start is to reduce the pay and bennies at the top. What's your idea?

 

[pipe]

In a democracy.. what do the "people" do when the candidates for election are both wrong choices?

I'm not sure right now, but I'll get back to you on Nov 5.

PIPE

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

How are the collective airlines of ALPA different from American? Aside from the fact that they are represented by ALPA, they all have their own best interests in mind. The USAir pilots will still have their best interests in mind, just under another banner.

Does the APA testify before Congress?
Does SWAPA or the IPA or NPA have sole observer status at ICAO?

Is any in house union a member of IFALPA?

Provide an objective comparison of say... South Carolina succeeding from the United States of America.

As a sole soverignty with an International harbor, HOW would SC deal with international issues, better than the USA?

My pragmatic idea to start is to reduce the pay and bennies at the top. What's your idea?

Pay and bennies aren't the issue. This is democracy. Where the future leaders come from the masses.

I ask again. What do you do when both choices are poor?

Can you name two excellent candidates for ALPA Prez?

can anyone?

 

[CopilotDoug]

Does the APA testify before Congress?
Does SWAPA or the IPA or NPA have sole observer status at ICAO?

Is any in house union a member of IFALPA?

You're 100% right. And look at the Abortion of an airline Johnny O. has created. All that testifying before congress sure has done alot for those pilots and their contract. Same thing for Pinnacle. Those guys deserve better. ALPA is the wrong tool for the job.

Provide an objective comparison of say... South Carolina succeeding from the United States of America.

As a sole soverignty with an International harbor, HOW would SC deal with international issues, better than the USA?

We're back to playing the "what if" game? Stay on track here, Rez.

Pay and bennies aren't the issue. This is democracy. Where the future leaders come from the masses.

So you think Duane Worthless would have taken the post on a CRJ captain's salary? I find the very idea laughable! By the way, where is Worthless these days? He sure cut and ran after he got his. I thought he would have still held an ALPA position out of the kindness of his heart! Duane Woerth is synonymous with Sack O' Sh!t

I ask again. What do you do when both choices are poor?

Reduce the bennies and pay. That's my answer, Rez. I have provided one whether you agree to it or not. Now, I am asking YOU (Not rhetorically either) What do you do when both choices are losers, like our upcoming Presidential election?

 

[Tweaker]

If the politics are against you the representation doesn't matter because your still going to be hung.

ALPA doesn't help those it doesn't like if the company wants you gone.

A private lawyer is the only chance someone in trouble on the wrong side has.

I second this post from first hand experience and 10 other similar situations 2nd hand. That being said, USAPA seems like a big mistake. Little to no upside, HUGE negatives.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

You're 100% right. And look at the Abortion of an airline Johnny O. has created. All that testifying before congress sure has done alot for those pilots and their contract. Same thing for Pinnacle. Those guys deserve better. ALPA is the wrong tool for the job.

Wrong again... you have no clue how WashDC functions and how associations like ALPA work in DC. And where groups like mesa and PCL are in all of this...

We're back to playing the "what if" game? Stay on track here, Rez.

C'mon... I am trying to bring the discussion up... not dumb it down...

So you think Duane Worthless would have taken the post on a CRJ captain's salary? I find the very idea laughable! By the way, where is Worthless these days? He sure cut and ran after he got his. I thought he would have still held an ALPA position out of the kindness of his heart! Duane Woerth is synonymous with Sack O' Sh!t

He lost a democratic election. Your post is reflective of you.

Reduce the bennies and pay. That's my answer, Rez. I have provided one whether you agree to it or not.

All you have done is provided a irresponsible thought with no pragmatic solution, objective thought or critical analysis. Can you explain, HOW a reduction in pay and benefits would work?

Now, I am asking YOU (Not rhetorically either) What do you do when both choices are losers, like our upcoming Presidential election?

Align expectations. I wouldn't expect Obama or Macain to be more than they are. Unlike you, who thinks ALPA should be more than it is... and of course its not because ALPA is not living up to its potential... its just that you have no clue how the gov't, companies and unions exist in the national and international industry.

But you could... if you'd take ownership in this profession. Particate in self governement, reject the victim status you and so many have claimed for yourselves and envoke positive change...

in fact... the profession is counting on you...

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

A private lawyer is the only chance someone in trouble on the wrong side has.

I second this post from first hand experience and 10 other similar situations 2nd hand. That being said, USAPA seems like a big mistake. Little to no upside, HUGE negatives.

I've seen from the other side....

Pilots hires big time lawyer who didn't know much about the RLA and labor law. ALPA lawyer schooled him. Pilot wasted his cash.... Of course pilot was an arrogant punk who thought he was smart...


Funny... many pilots state that ALPA defends those that should be fired. Keeps loosers employed.. and then post like these who say ALPA doesn't keep pilots job if they don't want to....

DFR?

 

[CopilotDoug]

Wrong again... you have no clue how WashDC functions and how associations like ALPA work in DC.
If you say so...as Thomas Reed said:

One of the greatest delusions in the world is the hope that the evils in this world are to be cured by legislation.

And where groups like mesa and PCL are in all of this...
Yeah, they're at the back of the bus with some of the best perks in the industry!
He lost a democratic election...
And rightfully so. But where is he today? I for sure thought he would have been serving the industry in some capacity or another, perhaps spearheading one of those oh-so effective picket lines. Oh, wait...he was just serving himself at the expense of all the pilots who pay into ALPA! Now he's off on his, as you have said, well deserved retirement. Meanwhile some of his peers are looking for work in their retirement.
Can you explain, HOW a reduction in pay and benefits would work? A hungry dog will fight harder. Heck, even tie his compensation to his performance. He wants a payraise...he can get one by helping negotiate the payraises of different pilot groups.
Unlike you, who thinks ALPA should be more than it is... and of course its not because ALPA is not living up to its potential... its just that you have no clue how the gov't, companies and unions exist in the national and international industry.
Pay, Benefits, and Schedule brother! Some Unions do fight for these things...you know. ALPA is what it is: An ineffective political tool.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Wrong again... you have no clue how WashDC functions and how associations like ALPA work in DC.
If you say so...as Thomas Reed said:

One of the greatest delusions in the world is the hope that the evils in this world are to be cured by legislation.

Wow that is deep. Do you hope to use illegal force to gain your objectives?

And where groups like mesa and PCL are in all of this...
Yeah, they're at the back of the bus with some of the best perks in the industry!

Again... misguided.... there is a process for mesa and pcl. its not congressional testimony

He lost a democratic election...
And rightfully so. But where is he today?

Does it matter? Is he supposed to be somehwere? Doing what? What are his obligations?

I for sure thought

Of course you thought... you do think allot I'll give you that...

he would have been serving the industry in some capacity or another, perhaps spearheading one of those oh-so effective picket lines. Oh, wait...he was just serving himself at the expense of all the pilots who pay into ALPA!

In what capacity?

Now he's off on his, as you have said, well deserved retirement. Meanwhile some of his peers are looking for work in their retirement.

Did I say he deserved his retirement? I said he lost an election.

Can you explain, HOW a reduction in pay and benefits would work? A hungry dog will fight harder. Heck, even tie his compensation to his performance. He wants a payraise...he can get one by helping negotiate the payraises of different pilot groups.

I didn't know the average line pilot with 15 days off is hungry. Why would an avg. line pilot leave his flying job and take a paycut to become ALPA Prez, only to be taken for granted by unappreciative fellow pilots...??

Tie it to performance? Based on pay raises of pilot groups. again... you don't understand how the system works.... get informed and I'll be glad to discuss the issues...

Unlike you, who thinks ALPA should be more than it is... and of course its not because ALPA is not living up to its potential... its just that you have no clue how the gov't, companies and unions exist in the national and international industry.
Pay, Benefits, and Schedule brother! Some Unions do fight for these things...you know. ALPA is what it is: An ineffective political tool.

The doesn't serve you based on how you think you should be served....

but you won't do a thing until ALPA acts more like you think they should...

Its all convienently justified in your own mind....