Lets talk unions....

[Rez O. Lewshun]

If the majority still wants a union, fine. They will have their union. I still don't feel we will reap any benefit from it though.
The ball is rolling to get the union out.

You reap what you sow...

If you want a union with officers getting kick backs.. then work for that.

If you want a union that operates with integrity.... then work for that!


From another thread.....

Anyhow, I'm very proud of our unions here at Mesaba. I know the ruling was a small victory, but victory nontheless. I'm a short timer at XJ now, and it saddens me that I will be leaving such a great group of people

So many of the working conditions we take for granted were forged by unions. 40 hour work week. Five day work week,etc....

Too many of us, because take for granted, that if there is a union we just add water.

Union organizations are not flawed. It is the membership who elects poor leaders and allows those leaders to fester.

 

[800Dog]

Toyota makes $40 million a day in profits.

GM loses $16 million a day. They have no profit.

Guess which one has a "Union" ?

Southwest makes profits.

Delta loses money.

Guess which one is more heavily unionized?

Until GM starts selling products people want to buy, they will continue losing money no matter what they pay their employees. Starts with the CEO, design/engineering teams and marketing. Get a clue.

 

[CRJDispatchKid]

You reap what you sow...

If you want a union with officers getting kick backs.. then work for that.

If you want a union that operates with integrity.... then work for that!


From another thread.....




So many of the working conditions we take for granted were forged by unions. 40 hour work week. Five day work week,etc....

Too many of us, because take for granted, that if there is a union we just add water.

Union organizations are not flawed. It is the membership who elects poor leaders and allows those leaders to fester.

XJ guy probably had to "leave" because he couldn't afford to live on a $18k salary.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Toyota makes $40 million a day in profits.

GM loses $16 million a day. They have no profit.

Guess which one has a "Union" ?

My Toyota was made in America by UAW union workers. My Toyota puts food on American Tables for American families.

GM products puts taco's on Mexican Tables for Mexican families and Canadian Bacon on Canadian Tables for Canadian families....

The global market is here....

 

[D'Angelo]

THe biggest problem with unions is the forced dues and the spending the dues on things you do not support. Also the forced fees are outrageous.Eliminate those and they would at least be bearable. They are too chicken to do that though

 

[Occam's Razor]

THe biggest problem with unions is the forced dues and the spending the dues on things you do not support.

As opposed to your taxes, which are always spent exactly the way you want them to be?

I have disagreements with my wife over how and where to spend money, but I still understand and appreciate our common objectives. I disagree with some of the priorities ALPA sets as well, but I believe the benefits of collective actions outweighs individual issues that may pop up from time to time.

 

[ShutupandFly]

As opposed to your taxes, which are always spent exactly the way you want them to be?

I have disagreements with my wife over how and where to spend money, but I still understand and appreciate our common objectives. I disagree with some of the priorities ALPA sets as well, but I believe the benefits of collective actions outweighs individual issues that may pop up from time to time.

I think the spending he is talking about is the union’s strong support of democrat candidates. Many union members are not democrats but because we are members we are forced to support a party we see as socialist. Maybe I wouldn’t complain so much about this if equal support were given to the Republicans, and Libertarians.

Unlike the government, many of us also see the unions as an unnecessary drain on out time and paychecks. I have worked for both union and non-union offices and the one thing I always noticed is how much the tension in the office increases once a union gets there claws into it. And the Icing on the cake is I get to pay for this tension.

As for the benefit of collective bargaining, we are still waiting to see that, and it’s not looking good judging from the silence we are getting from the union.

 

[ss9e]

I think the spending he is talking about is the union’s strong support of democrat candidates. Many union members are not democrats but because we are members we are forced to support a party we see as socialist. Maybe I wouldn’t complain so much about this if equal support were given to the Republicans, and Libertarians.

republicans don't need any money. libertarians don't have a chance. vote hillary in '08.

 

[Occam's Razor]

I think the spending he is talking about is the union’s strong support of democrat candidates. Many union members are not democrats but because we are members we are forced to support a party we see as socialist.

ALPA PAC gives a lot of $$ to republicans too. One of them is my congressman, Jim Ramstad. A republican on the Ways & Means Committee who (gasp!) is also pro-Labor!

It can be done!

Unions support those who support us. It's no different than any other parochial organization.

Prior to the last two Presidential elections, my union sent both candidates a set of questions regarding issues important to us: Age 60, Cabotage, Foreign Ownership, Pension reform, etc.

The both cases, the Democrat responded with a position that echos ours. The other guy ("W") was the exact opposite on every issue!

Maybe I wouldn’t complain so much about this if equal support were given to the Republicans, and Libertarians.

If they support us...we'll support them.

Unlike the government, many of us also see the unions as an unnecessary drain on out time and paychecks.

"necessary" <--- veritas!

I have worked for both union and non-union offices and the one thing I always noticed is how much the tension in the office increases once a union gets there claws into it.

You mean having to comply with a specific set of rules and conditions that they agreed to makes your management tense? Or perhaps their attititude makes others tense?

Probably a good thing, eh?

As for the benefit of collective bargaining, we are still waiting to see that, and it’s not looking good judging from the silence we are getting from the union.

I wish you luck!

 

[ShutupandFly]

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ALPA PAC gives a lot of $$ to republicans too. One of them is my congressman, Jim Ramstad. A republican on the Ways & Means Committee who (gasp!) is also pro-Labor!

It can be done!

Unions support those who support us. It's no different than any other parochial organization.

Prior to the last two Presidential elections, my union sent both candidates a set of questions regarding issues important to us: Age 60, Cabotage, Foreign Ownership, Pension reform, etc.

The both cases, the Democrat responded with a position that echos ours. The other guy ("W") was the exact opposite on every issue!



If they support us...we'll support them.



"necessary" <--- veritas!



You mean having to comply with a specific set of rules and conditions that they agreed to makes your management tense? Or perhaps their attititude makes others tense?

Probably a good thing, eh?



I wish you luck!

And again you miss the point. It’s not there money they are using to support these candidates. They reach into our paychecks and take the money from us. If I want to work I have to pay the union off. Maybe you have missed this but I think this thread is an excellent example of the fact that not all union members support the same positions as the unions. For your other point, no the management at this company is not tense, it’s the dispatcher that are tense. Again you speak of something you know nothing about. I have never worked for a management team as supportive of the dispatchers as I have here. Some people have problems with them but they also seem to be the same ones that have never worked at another office before. I guess they expect this place to be like NASA mission control.

As for wishing me luck. Thanks, now that the union is here we are going to need it.

 

[ShutupandFly]

republicans don't need any money. libertarians don't have a chance. vote hillary in '08.

God I hope the democrats are dumb enough to run her!

 

[D'Angelo]

And again you miss the point. It’s not there money they are using to support these candidates. They reach into our paychecks and take the money from us. If I want to work I have to pay the union off. Maybe you have missed this but I think this thread is an excellent example of the fact that not all union members support the same positions as the unions. For your other point, no the management at this company is not tense, it’s the dispatcher that are tense. Again you speak of something you know nothing about. I have never worked for a management team as supportive of the dispatchers as I have here. Some people have problems with them but they also seem to be the same ones that have never worked at another office before. I guess they expect this place to be like NASA mission control.

As for wishing me luck. Thanks, now that the union is here we are going to need it.

Hey good luck man. Once the union starts the hostile angry relationship with management enough employees will see the light. Eventually you will be able to do a decertification drive to throw those SOBs off the property. It will be a beautiful day. Someday America WILL be union free. Oh yes it will take a long time but some how, some way we will fight the good fight and rid ourselves of these boils on the A$$ of humanity. They have done nothing but trash and ruin once great careers.

 

[Occam's Razor]

And again you miss the point. It’s not there money they are using to support these candidates. They reach into our paychecks and take the money from us. If I want to work I have to pay the union off.

Eh? You posted this: "Many union members are not democrats but because we are members we are forced to support a party we see as socialist. Maybe I wouldn’t complain so much about this if equal support were given to the Republicans, and Libertarians."

And I explained how a union (eg: ALPA) contributes to any candidate who supports us. I even pasted your comments to keep my response in context. If you're gonna change the track, try to keep in on the same cd.

Maybe you have missed this but I think this thread is an excellent example of the fact that not all union members support the same positions as the unions.

SHOCK!

And I pointed out that we often have disagreements on policy and priorities with people in our own family! It's human nature. Some of those disagreements are going to be with the humans that run your office and your company. They could get very serious, and could lead to a significant life event for you or your co-workers. That is where I believe it is better to speak collectively rather than as individuals.

You disagree.

(See? Even professionals in the same industry can disagree!)

Your disagreement with me on the benefits of collective bargaining are based on a few months being represented by a union. My views are based on 19-years worth of first-hand experience with collective bargaining.

As for wishing me luck. Thanks, now that the union is here we are going to need it.

You don't need luck. You need some cheese for that whine. You're reminding me of my coffee this morning...steaming and bitter.

Maybe I should change my s/n to "ShutUpAndFuelPlan"

 

[Gimpy]

Definition of Occam's Razor compliments of Wikpedia - Occam's razor states that the explanation of any phenomenonshould make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory.

Per dictionary.com -
A rule in science and philosophy stating that entities should not be multiplied needlessly. This rule is interpreted to mean that the simplest of two or more competing theories is preferable and that an explanation for unknown phenomena should first be attempted in terms of what is already known. Also called law of parsimony.
risible \RIZ-uh-buhl\, adjective:
1. Capable of laughing; disposed to laugh.
2. Exciting or provoking laughter; worthy of laughter; laughable; amusing.
3. Relating to, connected with, or used in laughter; as, "risible muscles."


Per the definition of Occam's razor, your screen name does not fit. You make way to many assumptions, as well as leave out too many relevant details. You think that only your own situation with a union is relevant and no other point of view is worth anything . It is also not risible since you sound like a broken record, and your insults of others are childish and baseless.

Others on this board had it right. OCD is much more appropriate. It sounds like you've gotten shock therapy. Alpa's great! BZZZT! Alpa's great! BZZZT!

Feel free to pick apart this post like you have everyone else's and only quote the parts you like. Anyone can just scroll up and read the actual post in it's context. You're worse than Bush cherry picking intelligence for the gulf war.

19 years of collective bargaining? Only 11k of flight time? Which airline do you work for? Good for you. Prove it. Frankly, I don't believe any of it.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Per the definition of Occam's razor, your screen name does not fit. You make way to many assumptions, as well as leave out too many relevant details. You think that only your own situation with a union is relevant and no other point of view is worth anything . It is also not risible since you sound like a broken record, and your insults of others are childish and baseless.

Somebody needs a hug!

Others on this board had it right. OCD is much more appropriate. It sounds like you've gotten shock therapy. Alpa's great! BZZZT! Alpa's great! BZZZT!

And a kiss! Somebody needs a kiss too....maybe with some tongue in it!

Feel free to pick apart this post like you have everyone else's and only quote the parts you like. Anyone can just scroll up and read the actual post in it's context. You're worse than Bush cherry picking intelligence for the gulf war.

Whoa! That's low!

19 years of collective bargaining? Only 11k of flight time? Which airline do you work for? Good for you. Prove it. Frankly, I don't believe any of it.

Yes; Yes (Check Airman for 9-years); NWA; Thanks!; If you prove you're gimpy; Don't care.

I get paid for "credit". My union negotiated it for me to keep my managers from exploiting the pay-by-the-hour concept. My fighter time was accumulated in .8 segments...but they were a lot of fun.

Since you have nothing to add to the discussion, why don't you go get that hug?