Let the speculation begin at Flexjet...

[ArtVandalay]

Ok, everyone chime in with what our new compensation package will look like. Is it up? Is it down? Will it "align with industry standards"?

 

[exagony]

pilots get a pay cut and FG gets a raise

 

[o2bflyn]

You are getting paid to fly....just be happy about that. There are plenty of people out there who don't even have that luxury.

I would implore everyone who comments to keep percpective and not brag, gloat, moan and groan about what you are getting paid, when there are so many people on the streets right now.

Not saying you should let companies rip you off, but just try and keep a perspective.

 

[Dooker]

You are getting paid to fly....just be happy about that. There are plenty of people out there who don't even have that luxury.

I would implore everyone who comments to keep percpective and not brag, gloat, moan and groan about what you are getting paid, when there are so many people on the streets right now.

Not saying you should let companies rip you off, but just try and keep a perspective.

If it was up to people like you, we'd still be a British colony.

"Come on, guys! Why do you wanna rebel against England? Come on! So we pay taxes but can't vote. So what? You know how many people would love to be royal subjects? A bunch!"

It's not just about getting "paid to fly." It's about feeling like you have a modicum of control over what gets done to you and how it gets done. That counts for a lot.

 

[FalconPilot69]

I hate to tell you this Dooker, but even if we had a union on property, we would still not be in control. The only control you have is what you do with your life.

 

[Dooker]

I hate to tell you this Dooker, but even if we had a union on property, we would still not be in control. The only control you have is what you do with your life.

I hate to tell you this, but that kind of apathy has gotten us where we are right now. If the controller vectored you toward a thunderstorm, would you just keep right on trucking, or would you divert?

You have a lot more control in life if you sieze it, rather than expect it to be handed over.

I'm not saying a union is a panacea--look at all the guys at the regionals who can't stand theirs. But it would at least allow us a seat at the table.

Right now, the company can pretty much do whatever it wants ("change band," anyone? Enhanced per diem? Oh-and let's revisit your pay, while we're at it) with impunity, because they know we can't take concerted action to oppose it.

 

[Rouge Warrior]

As one who is furloughed all I can say is Don't let them do it!

 

[Dooker]

Don't let them do what?

 

[shanes123]

A union is only as strong as the leadership it votes in..Thats why NJ has a strong position at the Table and Flops does not. If you guys go union make sure you get leaders that are not afraid to stand up and fight for you.

 

[bunman45]

If you want to work for free, go be a candy striper. A union would not solve all the problems, but at least we would have a contract. No more involuntary pay cuts/reductions, furlough clause, guaranteed recall rights versus just hoping they like you enough to call you back. Fred Reid is a bold faced liar. He's only using this bad economy as a backdrop to execute his agenda. Just look at his past history. The only thing this man does is cut and degrade the profession. If we don't come together soon, before you know it, we'll be a low rate commuter airline.

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[o2bflyn]

If it was up to people like you, we'd still be a British colony.

"Come on, guys! Why do you wanna rebel against England? Come on! So we pay taxes but can't vote. So what? You know how many people would love to be royal subjects? A bunch!"

It's not just about getting "paid to fly." It's about feeling like you have a modicum of control over what gets done to you and how it gets done. That counts for a lot.

Look...get off your soapbox for a second a read what I wrote. Did I tell you to roll over and let the company give it to you....no. All I asked was have percepctive and not shout that you want $100,000/ year or they can kiss you ass. Be considerate to those who don't have jobs. That is all I am saying. Go for the 100K, go for the union if your group wants it.....just don't spew forth all over message boards about it. There is a time and a place to discuss these matters. Your pilot group is where it belongs, not on message boards. Be professional about it.

Unions have been very useful and constructive over the years, but if you think you NEED one to have control over your career....that is just sad. Take control of your life. Unions help in some ways, but just like you can't depend on management, you can't depend on the unions either. Take responsibility for yourself and your career.

As far as the British colony comment.....find an analogy that relates and try again.

 

[Flex-ible]

For those of us on the outside looking in.....any word on the FY 08 bonus?

 

[Club ORD FO]

they said that furloughed pilots will be getting the bonus, but no word on when or how much.

I doubt they are gonna give us a pay cut. Considering we were already below average before they dropped days. Usually the numbers leak out but I have not heard any semi-reliable rumor yet.

 

[lunberg]

For those of us on the outside looking in.....any word on the FY 08 bonus?

Get real, I doubt very seriously there will be bonus.

 

[Dooker]

Look...get off your soapbox for a second a read what I wrote. Did I tell you to roll over and let the company give it to you....no. All I asked was have percepctive and not shout that you want $100,000/ year or they can kiss you ass. Be considerate to those who don't have jobs. That is all I am saying. Go for the 100K, go for the union if your group wants it.....just don't spew forth all over message boards about it. There is a time and a place to discuss these matters. Your pilot group is where it belongs, not on message boards. Be professional about it.

Unions have been very useful and constructive over the years, but if you think you NEED one to have control over your career....that is just sad. Take control of your life. Unions help in some ways, but just like you can't depend on management, you can't depend on the unions either. Take responsibility for yourself and your career.

As far as the British colony comment.....find an analogy that relates and try again.

Sorry, bro, but you're talking out of both sides of your mouth on this one. You're either for or against something. The time for fence-straddling is past.

Furthermore, I don't know a single guy at Flex who thinks we have a snowball's chance of achieving Netjets-style compensation. All we really want is to hold onto those few dearly won gains we've made, as well as our dignity.

And, lastly, I don't need a lecture from you--whoever you are--about finding my own little happy place. This issue relates directly to my ability to support my family, as I'm sure it does for many of us.

Oh--and my analogy was spot-on.

 

[o2bflyn]

Sorry, bro, but you're talking out of both sides of your mouth on this one. You're either for or against something. The time for fence-straddling is past.

Furthermore, I don't know a single guy at Flex who thinks we have a snowball's chance of achieving Netjets-style compensation. All we really want is to hold onto those few dearly won gains we've made, as well as our dignity.

And, lastly, I don't need a lecture from you--whoever you are--about finding my own little happy place. This issue relates directly to my ability to support my family, as I'm sure it does for many of us.

Oh--and my analogy was spot-on.

Your analogy sucked, actually. I never told you to give up your desire to get fair treatment. You assumed I did when you jumped to conclusions.

You want to know how much I ride the fence on this subject, fine. If Flex pilots want a union ( I am assuming you are a flex pilot), great. I think they should have one. If they are being treated unfairly, then a union could be beneficial. My point is......well...you don't really care anyway.

Just keep it in a private Flex pilots forum. That is all I ask.....that is all I asked from the start.

 

[Nolife]

What's going on over at flex; enhanced per-diem, possible pay cuts? I hope it doesn't change too much and remians a good job to go back to.

Could some one pm me the changes? Thanks.

 

[GSXR600]

Are they taking crew meals away too?
I've been hearing a lot on the road as well!

 

[Hung Start]

Are they taking crew meals away too?
I've been hearing a lot on the road as well!

Yet, in the video on Feb 24, Fred gleefully told the audience that they would not get rid of the traditional Richardson parties. You know, the summer and Christmas bashes. Didn't want to change the "culture" of the office.

Lovely, just plain lovely.

 

[doh]

Fwiw, when they review the pay, they will either leave Flops out of the equation as usual, or they will put them in. If they leave them out, nothing will change. If they include Options, we will look high. Don't get cranked until you see which way they are calculating. You're just raising your blood pressure prematurely.

 

[ArtVandalay]

Well, last time I checked, a 14 day line is 182 days. For working 182 days, here is the daily pay breakdown at their current levels:

5 Years with the company (Capt):
Citation Shares: $559
Netjets: $597
Options: $438 (Large Cabin)
Flexjet:$491

We'll probably see daily rates go up between $20-$30

 

[FalconPilot69]

Anything up beats another cut.

Well, last time I checked, a 14 day line is 182 days. For working 182 days, here is the daily pay breakdown at their current levels:

5 Years with the company (Capt):
Citation Shares: $559
Netjets: $597
Options: $438 (Large Cabin)
Flexjet:$491

We'll probably see daily rates go up between $20-$30

 

[Pervis]

When it comes right down to it, union or non-union, we all do what is best for ourselves and families. But it would be very hard for me to accept any salary increase other than established longevity and/or COLA raises when I have collegues in the company I work for out on the street. All I can say is I hope it works out for all you folks at Flex, and the rest of us too.

 

[Hung Start]

As one from Flex who is out on the street, I must disagree with your thoughts, Pervis.
The people who are there should never give up the salaries and bennies they have earned. As long as management has the ability to get productivity bonus', then the pilots there should still get increases. There should never be decreases.
What the management should do, is do good business. Make the company grow, be more productive, eliminate the waste, etc. That, and that alone will get us all back to work.
If management wants a good salary and bonus, those are the areas where they should earn it. Taking back, or stopping salary increases is just too easy a fix. Anybody can do that.
Taking back hard earned salaries from the people who are the faces of the company is no way build a solid business.

Hung

 

[Pervis]

I understand and appreciate your thoughts Hung. I would not suggest a reduction at all. I may have misunderstood (very little suprise there), but I thought this raise was announced after the furloughs. Regular scheduled raises should by all means continue, but to let people go then offer raises seems counter intuitive. Whatever the case, I sincerely wish you folks all the best, with a rapid return to work and prosperity to all.

 

[Club ORD FO]

Yes this raise was announced after the layoffs. acutally it hasn't been announced yet, all we know is that there is a new compensation package. I dont feel bad at all about taking the extra cash cause the company should have done it long ago. And the furloughed guys will be hapy to know that when they do come back, they'll come back to a higher salary. Now working overtime days, thats something i dont agree with.

On a completely separate topic, I heard that Julie the scheduler got let go. that is total BS cause she was the best scheduler we had. She actually gave a damn about pilots. Perhaps that is what doomed her. Schedulers and pilots are mortal enemies by nature right?

 

[EatSleepFly]

Now working overtime days, thats something i dont agree with.

How much of that is going on lately? Any idea?

A couple weeks ago I heard quite a bit.

Disappointing (to put it nicely), if it's true. :angryfire

 

[bunman45]

I can't in good conscience except any OT. It's just not right.

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[Photoflight]

How much of that is going on lately? Any idea?

A couple weeks ago I heard quite a bit.

Disappointing (to put it nicely), if it's true. :angryfire

Everyone I've talked to said they would be refusing it. Haven't been asked yet personally though.

 

[J3guy]

I've not been offered OT in atleast 18 months. I will never accept it as long as we have pilots on the street. Since the last furlough, I have had mostly 12 hr plus days, and flying alot. Hang in there guys, we hope to have you back soon.