Let the speculation begin at Flexjet...

[ArtVandalay]

Well, last time I checked, a 14 day line is 182 days. For working 182 days, here is the daily pay breakdown at their current levels:

5 Years with the company (Capt):
Citation Shares: $559
Netjets: $597
Options: $438 (Large Cabin)
Flexjet:$491

We'll probably see daily rates go up between $20-$30

 

[FalconPilot69]

Anything up beats another cut.

Well, last time I checked, a 14 day line is 182 days. For working 182 days, here is the daily pay breakdown at their current levels:

5 Years with the company (Capt):
Citation Shares: $559
Netjets: $597
Options: $438 (Large Cabin)
Flexjet:$491

We'll probably see daily rates go up between $20-$30

 

[Pervis]

When it comes right down to it, union or non-union, we all do what is best for ourselves and families. But it would be very hard for me to accept any salary increase other than established longevity and/or COLA raises when I have collegues in the company I work for out on the street. All I can say is I hope it works out for all you folks at Flex, and the rest of us too.

 

[Hung Start]

As one from Flex who is out on the street, I must disagree with your thoughts, Pervis.
The people who are there should never give up the salaries and bennies they have earned. As long as management has the ability to get productivity bonus', then the pilots there should still get increases. There should never be decreases.
What the management should do, is do good business. Make the company grow, be more productive, eliminate the waste, etc. That, and that alone will get us all back to work.
If management wants a good salary and bonus, those are the areas where they should earn it. Taking back, or stopping salary increases is just too easy a fix. Anybody can do that.
Taking back hard earned salaries from the people who are the faces of the company is no way build a solid business.

Hung

 

[Pervis]

I understand and appreciate your thoughts Hung. I would not suggest a reduction at all. I may have misunderstood (very little suprise there), but I thought this raise was announced after the furloughs. Regular scheduled raises should by all means continue, but to let people go then offer raises seems counter intuitive. Whatever the case, I sincerely wish you folks all the best, with a rapid return to work and prosperity to all.

 

[Club ORD FO]

Yes this raise was announced after the layoffs. acutally it hasn't been announced yet, all we know is that there is a new compensation package. I dont feel bad at all about taking the extra cash cause the company should have done it long ago. And the furloughed guys will be hapy to know that when they do come back, they'll come back to a higher salary. Now working overtime days, thats something i dont agree with.

On a completely separate topic, I heard that Julie the scheduler got let go. that is total BS cause she was the best scheduler we had. She actually gave a damn about pilots. Perhaps that is what doomed her. Schedulers and pilots are mortal enemies by nature right?

 

[EatSleepFly]

Now working overtime days, thats something i dont agree with.

How much of that is going on lately? Any idea?

A couple weeks ago I heard quite a bit.

Disappointing (to put it nicely), if it's true. :angryfire

 

[bunman45]

I can't in good conscience except any OT. It's just not right.

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[Photoflight]

How much of that is going on lately? Any idea?

A couple weeks ago I heard quite a bit.

Disappointing (to put it nicely), if it's true. :angryfire

Everyone I've talked to said they would be refusing it. Haven't been asked yet personally though.

 

[J3guy]

I've not been offered OT in atleast 18 months. I will never accept it as long as we have pilots on the street. Since the last furlough, I have had mostly 12 hr plus days, and flying alot. Hang in there guys, we hope to have you back soon.

 

[JetFlex]

Somebody please find out what happened with Julie and if it's true. I'd feel really bad if that's true.
Thanks

 

[ArtVandalay]

An offer of overtime from the company means bad planning on their part. I never take O/T and especially will not take it now that we have furloughed.

 

[FMR8251]

There has been lots of discussion on the boards lately as to what a pilot group should do, or not do, with respect to its furloughed pilots. I'm one of the Flex 85, and would never expect the group as a whole to take pay cuts, cut work scheds, ect, to save my job. We all know the risks in this business, and those not affected still have bills to pay and mouths to feed. That being said, overtime is one huge exception! The offer of overtime by a company is evidence of a pilot shortage. If you except overtime with fellow pilots on the street, you are, at least, slapping them in the face, at most, actually preventing recalls. I implore all pilots out there flying for a company with folks on the street, if the company asks for help, tell them to shove it and get some people recalled.

 

[Propilot77]

There has been lots of discussion on the boards lately as to what a pilot group should do, or not do, with respect to its furloughed pilots. I'm one of the Flex 85, and would never expect the group as a whole to take pay cuts, cut work scheds, ect, to save my job. We all know the risks in this business, and those not affected still have bills to pay and mouths to feed. That being said, overtime is one huge exception! The offer of overtime by a company is evidence of a pilot shortage. If you except overtime with fellow pilots on the street, you are, at least, slapping them in the face, at most, actually preventing recalls. I implore all pilots out there flying for a company with folks on the street, if the company asks for help, tell them to shove it and get some people recalled.

I agree 100%...and from a guy not to far from the bottom...But we all know that we have a few OT leeches here at Flex and they don't give 2 Sh*ts about anyone but good old ME. To them the word "TEAM" has no letter "I" but it does have an "M" and an "E". Just look at the bluebelly posts and you see just who they are!

 

[bunman45]

If we also had rest rules that conformed to the FAR's, then they would be forced to recall some pilots. Also, they would owe alot of back pay for unpaid ot.

 

[Club ORD FO]

Somebody please find out what happened with Julie and if it's true. I'd feel really bad if that's true.
Thanks

Julie was very good about getting pilots to where they wanted to go at the end of a rotation. I hope that had nothing to do with it

I heard a few weeks back about a challenger pilot who went ballistic when he heard that another pilot had a different/better/more expensive airline than him. He complained and scheduling had to change the airlines for everyone else to that captain's crappy cheap airline

 

[Propilot77]

Somebody please find out what happened with Julie and if it's true. I'd feel really bad if that's true.
Thanks

Rumor has it she put on a facade for the crews. Apparently she did not do much behind the scenes just sit around and not be a team player. That's what one of the schedulers told me. She was always great to me... I was just as shocked.

 

[gunfyter]

If we also had rest rules that conformed to the FAR's, then they would be forced to recall some pilots.

BINGO!

 

[Imissmypilot]

Rumor has it she put on a facade for the crews. Apparently she did not do much behind the scenes just sit around and not be a team player. That's what one of the schedulers told me. She was always great to me... I was just as shocked.

well, if I'm not mistaken, I think she was the longest time schedulers there and also the highest paid. Didn't she get canned on the same deadline date the other departments had to make their cost cutting decisions? As for her not working much, that statement sounds ridiculous. The job is one where you either do your work or you don't. Not much gray area. If she was truly underperforming she would have been let go long before her paycheck made a difference to the bottom line.

That's why the top 100 thinking we don't need a union or that their job is safe is just as ridiculous. They could hire 100 new FO's at the same rate as the top 40 pilots I bet. Julie being let go is a sign any longevity that translates into payscale is something for us all to ponder.

 

[japhy]

I find it funny that you guys are talking about raises. There is no way in he!! that we are going to get a raise. Everything from the comapny in the last 6 months has been take take take and you're fired. Suddenly they are going to turn around and say "take take take and you're fired, but wait ..... here is a raise!"

It does suck about Julie. She was the best. They should of fired Joel.