Let the speculation begin at Flexjet...

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Ok, everyone chime in with what our new compensation package will look like. Is it up? Is it down? Will it "align with industry standards"?
 

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You are getting paid to fly....just be happy about that. There are plenty of people out there who don't even have that luxury.

I would implore everyone who comments to keep percpective and not brag, gloat, moan and groan about what you are getting paid, when there are so many people on the streets right now.

Not saying you should let companies rip you off, but just try and keep a perspective.
 

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You are getting paid to fly....just be happy about that. There are plenty of people out there who don't even have that luxury.

I would implore everyone who comments to keep percpective and not brag, gloat, moan and groan about what you are getting paid, when there are so many people on the streets right now.

Not saying you should let companies rip you off, but just try and keep a perspective.

If it was up to people like you, we'd still be a British colony.

"Come on, guys! Why do you wanna rebel against England? Come on! So we pay taxes but can't vote. So what? You know how many people would love to be royal subjects? A bunch!"

It's not just about getting "paid to fly." It's about feeling like you have a modicum of control over what gets done to you and how it gets done. That counts for a lot.
 

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I hate to tell you this Dooker, but even if we had a union on property, we would still not be in control. The only control you have is what you do with your life.
 

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I hate to tell you this Dooker, but even if we had a union on property, we would still not be in control. The only control you have is what you do with your life.
I hate to tell you this, but that kind of apathy has gotten us where we are right now. If the controller vectored you toward a thunderstorm, would you just keep right on trucking, or would you divert?

You have a lot more control in life if you sieze it, rather than expect it to be handed over.

I'm not saying a union is a panacea--look at all the guys at the regionals who can't stand theirs. But it would at least allow us a seat at the table.

Right now, the company can pretty much do whatever it wants ("change band," anyone? Enhanced per diem? Oh-and let's revisit your pay, while we're at it) with impunity, because they know we can't take concerted action to oppose it.
 

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A union is only as strong as the leadership it votes in..Thats why NJ has a strong position at the Table and Flops does not. If you guys go union make sure you get leaders that are not afraid to stand up and fight for you.
 

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If you want to work for free, go be a candy striper. A union would not solve all the problems, but at least we would have a contract. No more involuntary pay cuts/reductions, furlough clause, guaranteed recall rights versus just hoping they like you enough to call you back. Fred Reid is a bold faced liar. He's only using this bad economy as a backdrop to execute his agenda. Just look at his past history. The only thing this man does is cut and degrade the profession. If we don't come together soon, before you know it, we'll be a low rate commuter airline.


 

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If it was up to people like you, we'd still be a British colony.

"Come on, guys! Why do you wanna rebel against England? Come on! So we pay taxes but can't vote. So what? You know how many people would love to be royal subjects? A bunch!"

It's not just about getting "paid to fly." It's about feeling like you have a modicum of control over what gets done to you and how it gets done. That counts for a lot.
Look...get off your soapbox for a second a read what I wrote. Did I tell you to roll over and let the company give it to you....no. All I asked was have percepctive and not shout that you want $100,000/ year or they can kiss you ass. Be considerate to those who don't have jobs. That is all I am saying. Go for the 100K, go for the union if your group wants it.....just don't spew forth all over message boards about it. There is a time and a place to discuss these matters. Your pilot group is where it belongs, not on message boards. Be professional about it.

Unions have been very useful and constructive over the years, but if you think you NEED one to have control over your career....that is just sad. Take control of your life. Unions help in some ways, but just like you can't depend on management, you can't depend on the unions either. Take responsibility for yourself and your career.

As far as the British colony comment.....find an analogy that relates and try again.
 
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they said that furloughed pilots will be getting the bonus, but no word on when or how much.

I doubt they are gonna give us a pay cut. Considering we were already below average before they dropped days. Usually the numbers leak out but I have not heard any semi-reliable rumor yet.
 

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Look...get off your soapbox for a second a read what I wrote. Did I tell you to roll over and let the company give it to you....no. All I asked was have percepctive and not shout that you want $100,000/ year or they can kiss you ass. Be considerate to those who don't have jobs. That is all I am saying. Go for the 100K, go for the union if your group wants it.....just don't spew forth all over message boards about it. There is a time and a place to discuss these matters. Your pilot group is where it belongs, not on message boards. Be professional about it.

Unions have been very useful and constructive over the years, but if you think you NEED one to have control over your career....that is just sad. Take control of your life. Unions help in some ways, but just like you can't depend on management, you can't depend on the unions either. Take responsibility for yourself and your career.

As far as the British colony comment.....find an analogy that relates and try again.
Sorry, bro, but you're talking out of both sides of your mouth on this one. You're either for or against something. The time for fence-straddling is past.

Furthermore, I don't know a single guy at Flex who thinks we have a snowball's chance of achieving Netjets-style compensation. All we really want is to hold onto those few dearly won gains we've made, as well as our dignity.

And, lastly, I don't need a lecture from you--whoever you are--about finding my own little happy place. This issue relates directly to my ability to support my family, as I'm sure it does for many of us.

Oh--and my analogy was spot-on.
 

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Sorry, bro, but you're talking out of both sides of your mouth on this one. You're either for or against something. The time for fence-straddling is past.

Furthermore, I don't know a single guy at Flex who thinks we have a snowball's chance of achieving Netjets-style compensation. All we really want is to hold onto those few dearly won gains we've made, as well as our dignity.

And, lastly, I don't need a lecture from you--whoever you are--about finding my own little happy place. This issue relates directly to my ability to support my family, as I'm sure it does for many of us.

Oh--and my analogy was spot-on.
Your analogy sucked, actually. I never told you to give up your desire to get fair treatment. You assumed I did when you jumped to conclusions.

You want to know how much I ride the fence on this subject, fine. If Flex pilots want a union ( I am assuming you are a flex pilot), great. I think they should have one. If they are being treated unfairly, then a union could be beneficial. My point is......well...you don't really care anyway.

Just keep it in a private Flex pilots forum. That is all I ask.....that is all I asked from the start.
 

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What's going on over at flex; enhanced per-diem, possible pay cuts? I hope it doesn't change too much and remians a good job to go back to.

Could some one pm me the changes? Thanks.
 

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Are they taking crew meals away too?
I've been hearing a lot on the road as well!
 

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Are they taking crew meals away too?
I've been hearing a lot on the road as well!
Yet, in the video on Feb 24, Fred gleefully told the audience that they would not get rid of the traditional Richardson parties. You know, the summer and Christmas bashes. Didn't want to change the "culture" of the office.

Lovely, just plain lovely.
 

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Fwiw, when they review the pay, they will either leave Flops out of the equation as usual, or they will put them in. If they leave them out, nothing will change. If they include Options, we will look high. Don't get cranked until you see which way they are calculating. You're just raising your blood pressure prematurely.
 
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