Legacy Job...

[2000flyer]

i have flown planeview for about a year and it is the nicest presentation i have ever seen or used. i have never seen or used an "EASY" presentation so i really couldn't compare the two. i assume you have used both? why is it 5 yrs ahead?

todays whiz/bang is tomarrows also ran! planview should be at the top of the heap for a little while longer along with "easy".

The only experience I have with Planeview is a sim demostration and literature so I'll compare what I have seen.

First, both are great advancements in avionics, no doubt about it. However, DFJ took the same Epic architecture and went well beyond. For example, the EASy aircraft fly a path rather than pitch. It's actually a much more efficient (and logical) means of flying the aircraft. Try it...you'll like it

DFJ also got rid of having to look down at an FMS screen to program it. On the EASy, all flight plan entries can be made via CCD and upper DU (large screen, top center (or bottom center if you so choose). Now, each CCD is in a position where either pilot hand flying the aircraft and wanting to change something on a screen, he doesn't have to switch hands on the yoke to do so. In the Gulfstream, they chose a stick style controller near the right/left side windows. For example, if the pilot in the left seat is flying with his left hand (logical, right?) and wants to manipulate a screen, he has to now fly the plane with his right hand, freeing the left hand to stick. Petty? Maybe, but not logical in my humble opinion. Now, our SOP is to have the PNF control the I-Nav with AP off. AP on, FP has control of the I-Nav. There are times when the PNF is busy, like any aircraft, where the FP will "multi-task" for a short time.

I'm not trying to knock Planeview. I'm just saying Gulfstream could have advanced their version by leaps and bounds as DFJ did. I'm sure you can (or will ) give me examples of the Planeview and you, IMO, have an good point. To each our own

2000Flyer

 

[Gumby]

Jeez, you and Gumby must be hanging out more than I thought. I mean, how do you two come up with all these good one liners????????

I think some one should be back in their room, studying for their 135 ride!! And not cruising around Secaucus in his Big Black pick up truck!

 

[G100driver]

2000Flyer, excellent post. You gave a sound viewpoint, in your opinion, about an aircraft comparison. None of this mine is bigger than yours type crappola that is posted on this board.

 

[semperfido]

thanks for the explanation...with planeview i think if i select vnav i would be flying a path...so we have that option available. i suppose we can also accomplish fms tasks on the inav screen using the cursor which is controlled by the side mounted controller (tasks like going direct etc). many of us have well ingrained habits that are hard to change, so we may not be using all the functions available. Planeview gets better and better with each software upgrade as well. so far we have had two upgrades in about a year. there will be many more to come. they are both nice systems and i was just curious why you thought "the EASY cockpit" was 5 years ahead of "Planeview". seemed like a bold statement. thanks again

 

[2000flyer]

thanks for the explanation...with planeview i think if i select vnav i would be flying a path...so we have that option available. i suppose we can also accomplish fms tasks on the inav screen using the cursor which is controlled by the side mounted controller (tasks like going direct etc). many of us have well ingrained habits that are hard to change, so we may not be using all the functions available. Planeview gets better and better with each software upgrade as well. so far we have had two upgrades in about a year. there will be many more to come. they are both nice systems and i was just curious why you thought "the EASY cockpit" was 5 years ahead of "Planeview". seemed like a bold statement. thanks again

Bold. Guilty as charged. Biased too.

I'll also agree with much of your statement. I think we don't use the system to it's 100% potential. Some in our department dislike the auto throttles. Some can't believe we've lived without them. We're due for our first major software upgrade in May. Another by the end of the year.

Do you have heads-up? If so, I'm guessing that displays path vs. pitch, but I'm not sure on the Gulfstream system. Ealier Falcons with HGS offered path on the display, while pitch was still presented on the PFD.

Both companies have advanced avionics use well above their competition. For those of us who jump between something like EASy/Planeview to yesterdays avionics really feel the difference!

2000Flyer

 

[2000flyer]

2000Flyer, excellent post. You gave a sound viewpoint, in your opinion, about an aircraft comparison. None of this mine is bigger than yours type crappola that is posted on this board.

Thank you kind Sir.

 

[semperfido]

on a g550 hud and evs are standard equip i believe. someone will correct me if i am wrong i am sure. whatever you select on the guidance controller (vnav, flch, rate) is reflected in the hud. so so path/pitch is up to the user. i would guess that the auto-throttles are engaged 99% of the time.usually on from line-up to touch-down.

 

[G100driver]

Now, if only we could convert our Falcon to Planview avonics or EASy Never satisfied

 

[2000flyer]

I use the auto throttles from 400' (not certified for T/O) to 50' on final. One less thing I have to think about during an approach. Speed control is tremendous. Soon, FMS speeds will be certified thus further reducing workload.

HUD (or HGS in Falcon parlance) is an option. It was recently certified on the 2000EXy and we'll get it during Cert 2 in May.

 

[G100driver]

Cool. That sounds expensive when you start talking about running the APU for 1/2 an hour

 

[2000flyer]

Cool. That sounds expensive when you start talking about running the APU for 1/2 an hour

Aint that the truth!

 

[spngbobsqrpilot]

back to the topic...

Hmmm .... "company payscale..." is that code for do not walk in here with no stinking salary survey?

My guess is that the headquarters is based in SMO and has cosmetics, law, financial services and construction companies in its conglomerate.

Sounds like they can afford to pay a decent wage.

As for me, you couldn't pay me enough to live in the LA area, so good luck to anyone who applies.

Now. Can anyone direct me to corporate jobs in So. Florida area?

 

[semperfido]

Soon, FMS speeds will be certified thus further reducing workload.

what does this mean?

 

[G100driver]

what does this mean?

Load the A/C weight, OAT, airport and runway along with r/w conditions and the V speeds will automaticly post. This will eventually be loaded into the FMS once cerification from the FAA and JAA is complete.

In typical Dassault fashion they delivered the 2000EX without having completed all the cerifications. When we first took delivery of our aircraft we only had data for flaps 20 take-off. We are also waiting on V speed info.

 

[semperfido]

i'm not picking a fight here but "5 years advanced"--??

planeview in g550 integrated cockpit has auto-throttles from line-up to touchdown. auto-v speeds, auto fms speeds, hud w/evs, all of which you said "easy" cockpit doesn't have yet. And it is 5 years ahead of planeview? what am i missing?