Legacy Bashfest - Bring it on!

[LegacyDriver]

$100K for a seat huh? Must be genuine Corinthian Leather (with apologies to Chyrsler and Ricardo Montalban).

I guess G is talking about the GV or G-750 or G-347 or whatever the hell the call those things. I am of course talking about the G-IV (or CE-402 or whatever it is called). Not enough size increase to notice for my money. But I'm 6'4" so I'd be crouching in a G-IV and throwing bags around in a tiny baggage area if I were so unlucky.......

 

[sleepy]

The Legacy is a POS corporate aircraft. Stop this insanity! Make it stop!

 

[LegacyDriver]

The Legacy is a POS corporate aircraft. Stop this insanity! Make it stop!

And you base this on your VAST experience in the *Legacy* right?

The ignorance contained in your post is self-evident.

 

[English]

LegacyDriver,

Just let it go. YOU LOST. Let it go already.

I'll put $20 down that LegacyDriver cannot restrain himself from making another post to this thread. There's no way his ego can let this thread just die.

Any takers?

 

[flyer172r]

LegacyDriver,

Just let it go. YOU LOST. Let it go already.

I'll put $20 down that LegacyDriver cannot restrain himself from making another post to this thread. There's no way his ego can let this thread just die.

Any takers?

If I had $20 to blow, then maybe. This section must be really slow if this thread keeps coming back.

 

[banned username 2]

And you base this on your VAST experience in the *Legacy* right?

The ignorance contained in your post is self-evident.

And your speaking from your "vast experience" in Gulfstreams and Falcons???

Puuullleeeeeaassseee!!!!!!!

WSofD!

 

[LegacyDriver]

LegacyDriver,

Just let it go. YOU LOST. Let it go already.

I'll put $20 down that LegacyDriver cannot restrain himself from making another post to this thread. There's no way his ego can let this thread just die.

Any takers?

No, I did not lose. You don't lose a discussion...

 

[suen1843]

$100K for a seat huh? Must be genuine Corinthian Leather (with apologies to Chyrsler and Ricardo Montalban).

......

You just don't understand this end of the business. There is a lot more to a seat than the leather on it. There is a lot more to a completion than the seats, such as the "office in the sky" concept. But, if someone cannot afford the G and has to step down to the Legacy, they will probably go cheap on the interior or take whatever the Brazil gang decides to install.
I have seen Lear interiors go for more than half a million. Just plating on the wemacs for a cabin the size of the G can run 50 grand.

 

[LegacyDriver]

The interior on my boss' Legacy is nearly identical to the NJ G-IV I saw the other day, in fact, so I don't see what the criticism is all about. The interior on the Legacy has a few minor issues that their engineers will doubtless get ironed out in time. The interior on the first Legacy models was not very good, but the interior on the II looks like a copy of the G-IV. So if the Legacy interior sucks then the G-IV's must suck, too.

 

[Uncle Sparky]

No, I did not lose. You don't lose a discussion...

...sounds like the upbeat attitude Applewhite's boys had just after they were castrated!! I believe you have this discussion confused with some other one where you weren't pummeled brutally for weeks! I would say, go back and review the thread from the beginning but this post sums it up so well, why bother! Plus, I find it so dang funny, it's a shame to leave it buried back on page 11!

Let's tote up what you've accomplished so far, LegacyDriver:

1. Convinced virtually all of the corporate pilots on this board to write positive things about Gulfstream products.

2. Succeeded in having your own aircraft tagged with an unfortunate nickname it will never live down (WSCOD).

3. Convinced no one of anything positive regarding the Legacy, and in fact probably influenced some opinions negatively.

Good job! I think your work here is almost done!

I fall into group three BTW.

 

[LegacyDriver]

...sounds like the upbeat attitude Applewhite's boys had just after they were castrated!! I believe you have this discussion confused with some other one where you weren't pummeled brutally for weeks! I would say, go back and review the thread from the beginning but this post sums it up so well, why bother! Plus, I find it so dang funny, it's a shame to leave it buried back on page 11!
I fall into group three BTW.

You probably couldn't afford a Cessna 210 so I'm not too worried about what you think of the Legacy.

In the meanwhile, the airplane continues to sell, so the people who write the checks see something in the jet you don't.

Let's see, reliable, rugged, adaptable, dependable, efficient, affordable, proven, sexy, and comfortable. What's not to like? Guys like you would be hard pressed to find the F-16 interesting no doubt.

 

[banned username 2]

You probably couldn't afford a Cessna 210 so I'm not too worried about what you think of the Legacy.

He might not be able to afford a C-210, but a lot of time the guys flying the airplanes are looked upon to help choose a new aircraft... Who better than the pilots to help determine the suitability of an aircraft for a certain mission?

In the meanwhile, the airplane continues to sell, so the people who write the checks see something in the jet you don't.

I have yet to see one anywhere but on the ramp in PHX at Swift... On the other hand there isn't a day at the airport that goes by that I don't see a Gulfstream or Falcon...

Let's see, reliable, rugged, adaptable, dependable, efficient, affordable, proven, sexy, and comfortable. What's not to like? Guys like you would be hard pressed to find the F-16 interesting no doubt.

Ok, son... Put down the crack pipe and slowly walk away...

Let's review...

"Reliable" - Multiple EMB Drivers have been on this thread talking about how many maintenance issues these birds have on a regular basis...

"Rugged" - Like dragging your aft fuselage down the runway... Nice...

"Adaptable" - Like needing way too much runway to fill the mission of a typical Corporate aircraft that needs a lot less runway...

"Dependable" - See "Reliable" above.

"Efficient" - Spending your days in the mid-30's burning up the $4.00/gallon Jet-A...

"Affordable" - Well you get what you pay for, you do the math...

"Proven" - See "Reliable", "Rugged" and "Dependable" above...

"Sexy" - uh, well... beauty is in the eye of the beholder... I guess...

"Comfortable" - Well at least when you are bouncing around in the Mid-30's you'll have a big cabin, less likely you will strike a wall or bulkhead...

 

[T-Gates]

WHISTLING SH*TCAN OF DEATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Carry On...

 

[LegacyDriver]

He might not be able to afford a C-210, but a lot of time the guys flying the airplanes are looked upon to help choose a new aircraft... Who better than the pilots to help determine the suitability of an aircraft for a certain mission?

Sure my boss is going to buy a BBJ cuz I tell him to. Uh huh.

I have yet to see one anywhere but on the ramp in PHX at Swift... On the other hand there isn't a day at the airport that goes by that I don't see a Gulfstream or Falcon...

You must not spend a lot of time in TEB or LAS...

Ok, son... Put down the crack pipe and slowly walk away...

Let's review...

"Reliable" - Multiple EMB Drivers have been on this thread talking about how many maintenance issues these birds have on a regular basis...

Embittered ex-RJ drivers (who, frankly, are only believed to actually *be* RJ drivers because they support your theory). Nice try. Besides, the RJ takes a far worse beating than the Legacy does. I may do multiple legs some days, but RJs do it EVERY SINGLE DAY and that makes their job harder. Yet they still have an awesome dispatch rate.

"Rugged" - Like dragging your aft fuselage down the runway... Nice...

After hitting the ground at 3K'/min you would be lucky to still have the gear to drag yours. Bravo EMB for building a strong airplane.

"Adaptable" - Like needing way too much runway to fill the mission of a typical Corporate aircraft that needs a lot less runway...

Like going coast to coast or to Europe...OR doing ten cycles in a day, either with ease...

"Dependable" - See "Reliable" above.

...

"Efficient" - Spending your days in the mid-30's burning up the $4.00/gallon Jet-A...

Burning less at 390 / 410 than you do at 510...

"Affordable" - Well you get what you pay for, you do the math...

$3,000/hour for your airplane, roughly $1700/hour for mine...

"Proven" - See "Reliable", "Rugged" and "Dependable" above...

...

"Sexy" - uh, well... beauty is in the eye of the beholder... I guess...

My daughter likes it. She's a pretty good judge of things good looking.

"Comfortable" - Well at least when you are bouncing around in the Mid-30's you'll have a big cabin, less likely you will strike a wall or bulkhead...

Never considered FL390 the mid anything... But 410 capability will make that a non-argument Q1 '05.

 

[Uncle Sparky]

You probably couldn't afford a Cessna 210 so I'm not too worried about what you think of the Legacy.

OH.......my mistake........sorry.......I thought this was the "LEGACY BASHFEST....BRING-IT-ON!!"...I must have logged onto a similar thread with some schitzophrenic, brainwashed Yahoo pleading the case of his polished Terd! ..again my apologies.

In the meanwhile, the airplane continues to sell, so the people who write the checks see something in the jet you don't.

I just read an article somewhere that stated that the hermaphroditic porn industry is claiming record sales........guess those people see something I don't as well?!?

 

[English]

WSCofD....

 

[T-Gates]

Now seriously, I had no opinion about the Legacy before this thread, but I can sure as sh*t say I hate it now!!

 

[GVFlyer]

Legacy...Inheritance......as in, just another low quality product shipped from south of the border under the NAFTA.

Amen, brother...

GV

 

[GVFlyer]

WSCoD

I guess G is talking about the GV or G-750 or G-347 or whatever the hell the call those things. I am of course talking about the G-IV (or CE-402 or whatever it is called). Not enough size increase to notice for my money.

Gulfstream hasn't made a GIV in over two years, the last one was serial number 1499. There's been 36 G300/G400's roll down the line and 9 G450's since the last GIV.

Gulfstreams are made to accomodate the 95th percentile adult male (6'2"), as are Boeings and Airbuses, which begs the question, "If the Legacy/EMB135BJ is an airliner, why does it have only a 5'10" high cabin?"

But I'm 6'4" so I'd be crouching in a G-IV and throwing bags around in a tiny baggage area if I were so unlucky.......

6"4", by the way, is 97th percentile. There are some cockpits in the military you would be restricted from because of your excess height.

At your price point the logical Gulfstream product to compare the Legacy to is the IAI G200. However, logic doesn't seem to be your long suit as you insist on comparing the Legacy to large cabin Gulfstream's. As a refresher, I'll remind you of the least expensive large cabin Gulfstream, the G350, which we have previously discussed.

It cost $6.15 million more than the Legacy, but will retain 85% of it's value at resale. The cabin is at least 2.5 feet longer (depending on completion), 4 inches taller and 5 inches wider.

It costs $116 more an hour to operate, but cruises at speeds up to M 0.88 and will fly 3,800 nm at altitudes up to FL450. It will fly the maximum range of the Legacy at M 0.85. It's max payload is 62% greater than the Legacy's.

The G350 uses 15% less runway to fly 18% farther than the Legacy.

The G350's Rolls-Royce engine TBO is 12,000 hours, when comparing operating costs how does that compare to the AE3007's?

The G350 has the Planeview cockpit, the Legacy cockpit looks as if it hasn't been updated since Orville and Wilbur first conceived of making an airplane in the back of their bicycle shop.

I'd be crouching in a G-IV and throwing bags around in a tiny baggage area if I were so unlucky.......

Tell me again how much being a Legacy captain pays.


GV

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Let me be the one to remind folks that the G200 is not a Gulfstream, its a IAI Galaxy. It is another WSoD.
although, even the G200 does not rattle through the skies and clog up the airways like that South American $hitbox.

If $99 round trip passengers cant stand riding in it, how are Business moguls and Billionaires going to feel?

I can see it on the golf course now...."My GV is a great ride"...."My Global is treating us fine"....."My Falcon is slow and ugly but its reliable (haha)"....

but...."My Embreaereear"...well...oh nevermind...