Legacy Bashfest - Bring it on!

[LegacyDriver]

...sounds like the upbeat attitude Applewhite's boys had just after they were castrated!! I believe you have this discussion confused with some other one where you weren't pummeled brutally for weeks! I would say, go back and review the thread from the beginning but this post sums it up so well, why bother! Plus, I find it so dang funny, it's a shame to leave it buried back on page 11!
I fall into group three BTW.

You probably couldn't afford a Cessna 210 so I'm not too worried about what you think of the Legacy.

In the meanwhile, the airplane continues to sell, so the people who write the checks see something in the jet you don't.

Let's see, reliable, rugged, adaptable, dependable, efficient, affordable, proven, sexy, and comfortable. What's not to like? Guys like you would be hard pressed to find the F-16 interesting no doubt.

 

[banned username 2]

You probably couldn't afford a Cessna 210 so I'm not too worried about what you think of the Legacy.

He might not be able to afford a C-210, but a lot of time the guys flying the airplanes are looked upon to help choose a new aircraft... Who better than the pilots to help determine the suitability of an aircraft for a certain mission?

In the meanwhile, the airplane continues to sell, so the people who write the checks see something in the jet you don't.

I have yet to see one anywhere but on the ramp in PHX at Swift... On the other hand there isn't a day at the airport that goes by that I don't see a Gulfstream or Falcon...

Let's see, reliable, rugged, adaptable, dependable, efficient, affordable, proven, sexy, and comfortable. What's not to like? Guys like you would be hard pressed to find the F-16 interesting no doubt.

Ok, son... Put down the crack pipe and slowly walk away...

Let's review...

"Reliable" - Multiple EMB Drivers have been on this thread talking about how many maintenance issues these birds have on a regular basis...

"Rugged" - Like dragging your aft fuselage down the runway... Nice...

"Adaptable" - Like needing way too much runway to fill the mission of a typical Corporate aircraft that needs a lot less runway...

"Dependable" - See "Reliable" above.

"Efficient" - Spending your days in the mid-30's burning up the $4.00/gallon Jet-A...

"Affordable" - Well you get what you pay for, you do the math...

"Proven" - See "Reliable", "Rugged" and "Dependable" above...

"Sexy" - uh, well... beauty is in the eye of the beholder... I guess...

"Comfortable" - Well at least when you are bouncing around in the Mid-30's you'll have a big cabin, less likely you will strike a wall or bulkhead...

 

[T-Gates]

WHISTLING SH*TCAN OF DEATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Carry On...

 

[LegacyDriver]

He might not be able to afford a C-210, but a lot of time the guys flying the airplanes are looked upon to help choose a new aircraft... Who better than the pilots to help determine the suitability of an aircraft for a certain mission?

Sure my boss is going to buy a BBJ cuz I tell him to. Uh huh.

I have yet to see one anywhere but on the ramp in PHX at Swift... On the other hand there isn't a day at the airport that goes by that I don't see a Gulfstream or Falcon...

You must not spend a lot of time in TEB or LAS...

Ok, son... Put down the crack pipe and slowly walk away...

Let's review...

"Reliable" - Multiple EMB Drivers have been on this thread talking about how many maintenance issues these birds have on a regular basis...

Embittered ex-RJ drivers (who, frankly, are only believed to actually *be* RJ drivers because they support your theory). Nice try. Besides, the RJ takes a far worse beating than the Legacy does. I may do multiple legs some days, but RJs do it EVERY SINGLE DAY and that makes their job harder. Yet they still have an awesome dispatch rate.

"Rugged" - Like dragging your aft fuselage down the runway... Nice...

After hitting the ground at 3K'/min you would be lucky to still have the gear to drag yours. Bravo EMB for building a strong airplane.

"Adaptable" - Like needing way too much runway to fill the mission of a typical Corporate aircraft that needs a lot less runway...

Like going coast to coast or to Europe...OR doing ten cycles in a day, either with ease...

"Dependable" - See "Reliable" above.

...

"Efficient" - Spending your days in the mid-30's burning up the $4.00/gallon Jet-A...

Burning less at 390 / 410 than you do at 510...

"Affordable" - Well you get what you pay for, you do the math...

$3,000/hour for your airplane, roughly $1700/hour for mine...

"Proven" - See "Reliable", "Rugged" and "Dependable" above...

...

"Sexy" - uh, well... beauty is in the eye of the beholder... I guess...

My daughter likes it. She's a pretty good judge of things good looking.

"Comfortable" - Well at least when you are bouncing around in the Mid-30's you'll have a big cabin, less likely you will strike a wall or bulkhead...

Never considered FL390 the mid anything... But 410 capability will make that a non-argument Q1 '05.

 

[Uncle Sparky]

You probably couldn't afford a Cessna 210 so I'm not too worried about what you think of the Legacy.

OH.......my mistake........sorry.......I thought this was the "LEGACY BASHFEST....BRING-IT-ON!!"...I must have logged onto a similar thread with some schitzophrenic, brainwashed Yahoo pleading the case of his polished Terd! ..again my apologies.

In the meanwhile, the airplane continues to sell, so the people who write the checks see something in the jet you don't.

I just read an article somewhere that stated that the hermaphroditic porn industry is claiming record sales........guess those people see something I don't as well?!?

 

[English]

WSCofD....

 

[T-Gates]

Now seriously, I had no opinion about the Legacy before this thread, but I can sure as sh*t say I hate it now!!

 

[GVFlyer]

Legacy...Inheritance......as in, just another low quality product shipped from south of the border under the NAFTA.

Amen, brother...

GV

 

[GVFlyer]

WSCoD

I guess G is talking about the GV or G-750 or G-347 or whatever the hell the call those things. I am of course talking about the G-IV (or CE-402 or whatever it is called). Not enough size increase to notice for my money.

Gulfstream hasn't made a GIV in over two years, the last one was serial number 1499. There's been 36 G300/G400's roll down the line and 9 G450's since the last GIV.

Gulfstreams are made to accomodate the 95th percentile adult male (6'2"), as are Boeings and Airbuses, which begs the question, "If the Legacy/EMB135BJ is an airliner, why does it have only a 5'10" high cabin?"

But I'm 6'4" so I'd be crouching in a G-IV and throwing bags around in a tiny baggage area if I were so unlucky.......

6"4", by the way, is 97th percentile. There are some cockpits in the military you would be restricted from because of your excess height.

At your price point the logical Gulfstream product to compare the Legacy to is the IAI G200. However, logic doesn't seem to be your long suit as you insist on comparing the Legacy to large cabin Gulfstream's. As a refresher, I'll remind you of the least expensive large cabin Gulfstream, the G350, which we have previously discussed.

It cost $6.15 million more than the Legacy, but will retain 85% of it's value at resale. The cabin is at least 2.5 feet longer (depending on completion), 4 inches taller and 5 inches wider.

It costs $116 more an hour to operate, but cruises at speeds up to M 0.88 and will fly 3,800 nm at altitudes up to FL450. It will fly the maximum range of the Legacy at M 0.85. It's max payload is 62% greater than the Legacy's.

The G350 uses 15% less runway to fly 18% farther than the Legacy.

The G350's Rolls-Royce engine TBO is 12,000 hours, when comparing operating costs how does that compare to the AE3007's?

The G350 has the Planeview cockpit, the Legacy cockpit looks as if it hasn't been updated since Orville and Wilbur first conceived of making an airplane in the back of their bicycle shop.

I'd be crouching in a G-IV and throwing bags around in a tiny baggage area if I were so unlucky.......

Tell me again how much being a Legacy captain pays.


GV

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Let me be the one to remind folks that the G200 is not a Gulfstream, its a IAI Galaxy. It is another WSoD.
although, even the G200 does not rattle through the skies and clog up the airways like that South American $hitbox.

If $99 round trip passengers cant stand riding in it, how are Business moguls and Billionaires going to feel?

I can see it on the golf course now...."My GV is a great ride"...."My Global is treating us fine"....."My Falcon is slow and ugly but its reliable (haha)"....

but...."My Embreaereear"...well...oh nevermind...

 

[sleepy]

And you base this on your VAST experience in the *Legacy* right?

The ignorance contained in your post is self-evident.

First, I have flown an Embraer product in the past, second I got the information right here in this thread. I believe that we have all seen enough to know that your RJ is nowhere close to a Gulfstream, Falcon, Canadair, etc....

Why title your thread a "bashfest" if you don't believe this Legacy need bashing? I think even you know the truth about the Legacy.

 

[GEXDriver]

...Check with him again (that is if he works with high net-worth individuals). Many lower level accountants confuse tax differal with tax write off...


Ace

I find this hard to believe as the same Bonus Depreciation applies to the farm equipment used by those noted high-rollers, the farmers.

 

[fokkerjet]

But I'm 6'4" so I'd be crouching in a G-IV and throwing bags around in a tiny baggage area if I were so unlucky.......

With such a "HUGE" baggage compartment, why such a low weight restriction? Gulfstream's and Falcon's can carry twice the load. What kind of aft CG problems does this WSofD have, with all that crap hanging off the tail reminds me of the Beech 1900?

 

[GVFlyer]

...all that crap hanging off the tail reminds me of the Beech 1900...

Seasons Greetings, fokkerjet!

The strakes on the Legacy empennage and the vortilons on the wing leading edge were installed to compensate for yaw instabilities occuring as the result of adding poorly engineered winglets to the EMB 135 wing in an attempt to extend the range of the Legacy.

GV

 

[English]

Hey LegacyDriver, did you used to work at Chatauqua?

 

[T-Gates]

Hey LegacyDriver, did you used to work at Chatauqua?

LegacyDriver = Skull-One (The wrongfully terminated ERJ Captain)

I'd bet a C-Note on it....

 

[English]

That't right...I almost forgot all about that!

Thanks for the memory jogger. I'm with you on the c-note.

 

[suen1843]

The Legacy 2.5 GT adds projector beam headlights, side mirrors with integrated turn signal indicators, electroluminescent LED gauge lighting

 

[Ace-of-the-Base]

I find this hard to believe as the same Bonus Depreciation applies to the farm equipment used by those noted high-rollers, the farmers.

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

Are you saying you find it hard to believe that accountants make mistakes? Are you making a crack about "high-rollers"? Are you tired? Anyway, clarify if you wish.

Ace

 

[sclark161]

I picture Legacy Driver to be kinda like that comic book guy from the Simpsons. Lighten up dude.

 

[GEXDriver]

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

Are you saying you find it hard to believe that accountants make mistakes? Are you making a crack about "high-rollers"? Are you tired? Anyway, clarify if you wish.

Ace

It's easy, Ace. To refresh your memory, here's the whole exchange.

Originally Posted by GEXDriver
I went to my accountant today to discuss strategies to avoid the Alternative Minimum Tax, determine what investments to sell in this tax year, how to be taxed at capital gains rate rather than at normal rate on these sales and so on.

I was curious, so I took a screen dump of GV's tax posts on bonus depreciation with me. My tax professional said that everything that GV posted was correct.

As is everything I posted. Check with him again (that is if he works with high net-worth individuals). Many lower level accountants confuse tax differal with tax write off.

Thanks for taking this issue so seriously.

Ace

To which I replied:

Originally Posted by GEXDriver
I find this hard to believe as the same Bonus Depreciation applies to the farm equipment used by those noted high-rollers, the farmers.

I was responding directly to your statement, " Many lower level accountants confuse tax differal with tax write off." Because, as you can see, you were questioning the competence of my accountant, the firm to which she belongs and by implication, me, for selecting her and them. You were also suggesting that to understand bonus depreciation, like kind exchanges, tax deferrals and the like, an accountant had to "work with high net-worth individuals." This is simply not the case. Whether or not mine works with such individuals, doesn't matter, she is a CPA and a CMA and aggressively seeks tax avoidance, which works for me.

In my post, I was pointing out that the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003 also applied equally to other groups, such as farmers, whom I doubt many would consider as 'high net-worth individuals."

And in answer to your question about accountants making mistakes, yes, I recognize that accountants, like any other professional group, make mistakes. However, I think it is unlikely that an accountant would make such a fundamental error concerning such a widely publicized law.

 

[Ace-of-the-Base]

Because, as you can see, you were questioning the competence of my accountant, the firm to which she belongs and by implication, me, for selecting her and them. You were also suggesting that to understand bonus depreciation, like kind exchanges, tax deferrals and the like, an accountant had to "work with high net-worth individuals." This is simply not the case. Whether or not mine works with such individuals, doesn't matter, she is a CPA and a CMA and aggressively seeks tax avoidance, which works for me.

Well, m’ boy, you sure inferred a lot from my simple statement about making sure he (she) deals with high net-worth individuals. I apologize if I have offended any farmers in your family or circle of friends or your accountant. The new H.R. bill addresses the purchase of NEW equipment and this is an aviation board, and NEW planes are normally purchased by fairly high net-worth folks – maybe even farmers (I’m sure a new tractor price would probably shock us both). Not that it is really germane to this conversation, but aren’t there quite a few high net-worth farmers? You make it sound like they’re definitely not wealthy people. Anyhooo, everything in my posts were spot-on. Check it if you wish.



Ace

 

[SkyGirl]

Well, m’ boy, you sure inferred a lot from my simple statement about making sure he (she) deals with high net-worth individuals. I apologize if I have offended any farmers in your family or circle of friends or your accountant. The new H.R. bill addresses the purchase of NEW equipment and this is an aviation board, and NEW planes are normally purchased by fairly high net-worth folks – maybe even farmers (I’m sure a new tractor price would probably shock us both). Not that it is really germane to this conversation, but aren’t there quite a few high net-worth farmers? You make it sound like they’re definitely not wealthy people. Anyhooo, everything in my posts were spot-on. Check it if you wish.



Ace

I think all Gexxie was trying to say is that you don't have to be a high roller to benefit from bonus depreciation so most accountants would have a handle on it.

-SkyGirl-

 

[bigD]

Accountant smack.

Awesome.

 

[LegacyDriver]

Seasons Greetings, fokkerjet!

The strakes on the Legacy empennage and the vortilons on the wing leading edge were installed to compensate for yaw instabilities occuring as the result of adding poorly engineered winglets to the EMB 135 wing in an attempt to extend the range of the Legacy.

GV

You are definitely wrong here. The vortilons are to energize airflow over the ailerons at low airspeeds (since we don't have roll control spoilers). It's a matter of doing the smart thing and the drag penalty is apparently not enough to matter or they would have done something else I am sure.

The strakes were added because they allow us to dispatch WITHOUT a yaw damper. Without them the damp would be required due to the winglets.

The 5'10" cabin is the non-dropped aisle. All airline versions have a 6' (or more, I forget) aisle height. The Legacy has this floor as an option but most don't use it.

As far as negative influence goes, when you have 400 against 1 it's hard to be objective.

 

[LegacyDriver]

LegacyDriver = Skull-One (The wrongfully terminated ERJ Captain)

I'd bet a C-Note on it....

He *was* wrongfully terminated, didn't you hear? He won his grievance and about $50K in back pay. Clean record. Resigned on his own terms for greener pastures. Not bad I'd say.

Why the fascination with where people work or where they used to work? Who cares? It's not particularly relevant.

Back to the bashing, all of you!

 

[LegacyDriver]

I picture Legacy Driver to be kinda like that comic book guy from the Simpsons. Lighten up dude.

I am lightened up, FWIW. I'm just having a nice enjoyable discussion here. It's the Legacy haters that need to lighten up, IMHO. I thought this was all in good fun but obviously it's just flame baiting. *shrug*

 

[English]

Yep, skull-one for sure.

 

[LegacyDriver]

Yep, skull-one for sure.

And if I were? Who cares? Give it a rest already.

Back to the bashing! CHAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGE!

 

[banned username 2]

As far as negative influence goes, when you have 400 against 1 it's hard to be objective.

Before you started this stupid thread it was probably 1 to 1 (for:against) glad to see you have done such a good job promoting your prized WSofD...

He *was* wrongfully terminated, didn't you hear? He won his grievance and about $50K in back pay. Clean record. Resigned on his own terms for greener pastures. Not bad I'd say.

Why the fascination with where people work or where they used to work? Who cares? It's not particularly relevant.

Back to the bashing, all of you!

Yup, DEFINATELY Skull-One...