Legacy Bashfest - Bring it on!

[LegacyDriver]

I care because I like the airplane. It is a good bird and I grow weary of the unwarranted bashing.

 

[satpak77]

Legacy Bashfest - Bring it on!

dude no one could give a sh1t

 

[AA717driver]

I think it's the David Clark's pinching his head...

Spec page for the G350(basically the old GIV) shows a initial climb to FL410.

GV knows his $h!t. Sorry.TC

 

[con-pilot]

I don't think I have read so much crap in my life. Now if you want to start an argument lets go, say Falcon 900EX EAsy and G-IVSP or what ever they are called now.

But to compare a remade comuter airliner to the class of aircraft of the G-V, Gobal Express, G-IVSP and the Falcon 900EX EAsy is just too funny to take serious.

Jezz, this guy sounds like the old Lear Jet guys.

Let me tell something partner, it's not what you fly, it's what you get paid.

When I made 727 Captain I went into the bathroom and dropped my pants to see just much bigger my mustintouchines got. Well guess what, my balls did not get any bigger, nor anything else down there.

Get a life.

 

[suen1843]

LegacyDriver needs to get back under the porch with the rest of the pups. He's not ready to run with the big dogs.

 

[mmmdonut]

I'm sorry but the Jetstar beats em all!!!!!!!!!

 

[sleepy]

I care because I like the airplane. It is a good bird and I grow weary of the unwarranted bashing.

Well, it is great that you love your aircraft. I like mine too, but I really doubt if anyone on here cares what I think about the Falcon. Most of us have little say in what we fly anyway.

Maybe you should go to work for EMB as a Legacy demo pilot, it looks like you are already on the cool-aid.

 

[banned username 2]

The Legacy will still outcycle a V

Of course it will, because it needs nearly 3 fuel stops for every one fuel stop the G-V needs... Those cycles will add up! And yes, the G-450 (improved G-IVsp) will go directly to FL410 at MGTOW and will go 1,350 NM further (Nearly 3 hours longer at Mach 0.80) than the Legacy (while using less runway)... The G-550 will also go directly to FL410 at MGTOW and go over 3,750 NM further than the Legacy (thats over 8.1 hours longer!)...

The G-450 needs 5,450 ft of runway to go 4,350 NM at Mach 0.80
The Legacy needs 5,700 ft of runway to go 3,000 NM at Mach 0.80
The G-550 needs 5,910 ft of runway to go 6,750 NM at Mach 0.80

Range: I flew a Legacy 8 hours from liftoff to touchdown and was not even remotely concerned about fuel when I landed.

According to the Embraer web site, at Mach 0.74 the Legacy can go 8:02 and then you are at NBAA Mins on fuel... So at 8 hours, you should have been concerned about fuel... Not to mention that the G-450 could have done the same 3,200 NM leg at Mach 0.85 (6+56 hours) or the G-550 could have done it at Mach 0.87 (6+45 hours)... So when your passengers are twidling their thumbs for an extra 1+17, the competition is already at the meeting selling the customer their product... But hey, you saved a few million on the plane, what's it matter if you lose a $500 million contract?

Both of the Gulfstreams would have needed less than 5,000 ft of runway to complete that 3,200 NM leg (the G-550 probably would have been closer to 4,000 ft runway required!), whereas the Legacy would have needed 5,700 ft... How much further would the passengers have to drive to get to their Legacy parked at an airport with a 5,700 ft runway vs. the G's who are at airports with 5,000 ft? A LOT of airports we utilize have max runway lengths of 5,000 ft... Anytime I am somewhere with more runway than that, it feels like a luxury!

Thus it can be argued that the Legacy is one of the STRONGEST biz jet fuselages in the business.

I have never seen a picture of a Gulfstream or Falcon with its fuselage broken and it's tail dragging on the ground... But I have seen a picture of an EMB-Jet with that problem... Strong, eh? Give me a break...

On the other hand, the EMB seems to make a pretty good airliner... The Gulfstream and Falcons would make terrible airliners... Purpose built aircraft should remain in the catagory they were built for... You don't see many BBJ's around, mainly because it makes for a pretty poor Corporate jet, just like you don't see any G-550's parked at Gate G6 at ORD...

Oh and as far as GVFlyer... The guy knows his sh!t... No doubt about it...

 

[ukcats]

Jungle Jet

Used to work for the fractionals. Rode a lot of airlines to and fro. The Jungle Jet was the loudest, roughest riding jet I have ever been on. Don't forget the afformentioned structure problems. I know of two that "broke" (ROA/DFW). I'd rather drive than ride that piece of crap again.

 

[flyer172r]

This kind of personal insulting belongs in the non-aviation related chat section