Legacy Bashfest - Bring it on!

[LegacyDriver]

I think we have hijacked the other ("Flying to Hawaii") thread enough.

First of all, the Legacy competes with many different airplanes on different levels and in different areas. It is superior to all comers in terms of reliability and I will stack it up against any airplane in that category. Let's go toe to toe EMB vs G-String for 100 hours and see who breaks first. (Hint: it won't be a plane made in Brazil.)

Range: I flew a Legacy 8 hours from liftoff to touchdown and was not even remotely concerned about fuel when I landed.

As for the Gulfstream and ceiling, you can't go straight to 510 (or even 410) at max gross--I can go right to 390 now (and 410 when I get my new software for pressurization).

You burn 1100 a side you said at 510. I doubt you will be doing .84 with that kind of fuel flow. I also shudder to think of your burn lower while you step climb to 410 and THEN 510. Meanwhile, when I get to go to 410 (direct!) I imagine my burn will be less than 900 lbs/side at .80M. As it is now I am burning 1140/side at 350(!) And well less than 1100 at 390. As stated, this plane is efficient at any altitude.

Resale value is still an unanswered question. Time will tell. However, Gulfstream's trade-in program accounts for the bulk of its maintained value. They just want to get you on the hook for 45 million (for another plane) so they will give you money for your junked out peachjet. If EMB does the same the value for the Legacy will stay relatively high.

The Gulfstream is what it is. It is a good airplane. When Clay Lacy was setting all those records in th IV-SP I admit to being mesmerized. But just like anything it has its limitations and bad points.

One must remember that the price differential is unjustified. Either the G is overpriced or the EMB is under priced. The Gulfstream is NOT twice the airplane the Legacy is. Gulfstream is an ego stroker just like Harley Davidson (there are better products that cost less) and customers are paying a premium for a brand name. That to me is stupid (but so is a hotel room for five grand a night and there are those who pay for such things).

 

[Diesel]

I think GV pretty much shut you down in the last thread.

Although it goes to show how amazing his knowledge really is.

I think a better comparison would be a Legacy vs. Citation X

Enjoy the EVS system...... oh wait nevermind.

 

[LegacyDriver]

He obviously has not shut me down unless one believes fantasy numbers. The man can't even get the stats on his own airplane right. I can hardly expect him to get 'em right on mine.

 

[xrated]

Hey LegacyDriver,

Still trying to figure out if your initials are C.Y.?

 

[Diesel]

Trust me I think most of his stat's are right on. I've checked with other Gwhiz drivers and they say the guy is in the know.

He's the one that holds some records in the G whiz.

Also it sounds like he's done some testing of the aircraft so I'd say he knows it inside and out.

Of course the only good thing to come from Brazil is porn and that bbq steakhouse meat.

 

[G100driver]

He obviously has not shut me down unless one believes fantasy numbers. The man can't even get the stats on his own airplane right. I can hardly expect him to get 'em right on mine.

Face it dude ... you and your NAFTA jet got spanked.

The Legacy is not a bad airplane, but it is not a top of the line biz jet, nor will it be, nor does it pretend to be so. It is for the guy that does not want the best, doesn't mind getting there a little later, or mind being slightly more fatigued. He also does not want to pay as much either. God Bless him and the like, though, for investing in aviation and giving all of us jobs.

PS, what G-V were you talking about that cannot go to FL410 at MTOW? The one with one engine?

 

[capt_zman]

Funny, I don't see any Collier Trophy's in Brazil.

 

[LegacyDriver]

G100Driver I salute you for at least acknowledging the Legacy's good qualities. It seems here that the Peachjet community sees an obligation to run my airplane down. As I have said, Gulfstreams are good airplanes but the Legacy is better in some and comparable in most.

( PS - The 410 climb was actually referring to the IV. I do not recall if the V goes direct or not. The IV is where most of this discussion was aimed any way I thought. The Legacy will still outcycle a V.)

As we showed with the F-16 the number of cycles is more stressful than time or amount under a higher laod. A 9-G turn for one hour is less stressful than multiple pulls at a lesser load (say 7-Gs) for 5 seconds apiece. Think of the old paperclip analogy.

Thus it can be argued that the Legacy is one of the STRONGEST biz jet fuselages in the business. 10 cycles to 250 or 350 are more stressful than one to 410 or 510. (You get the idea.)

 

[sleepy]

G100Driver I salute you for at least acknowledging the Legacy's good qualities. It seems here that the Peachjet community sees an obligation to run my airplane down. As I have said, Gulfstreams are good airplanes but the Legacy is better in some and comparable in most.

( PS - The 410 climb was actually referring to the IV. I do not recall if the V goes direct or not. The IV is where most of this discussion was aimed any way I thought. The Legacy will still outcycle a V.)

As we showed with the F-16 the number of cycles is more stressful than time or amount under a higher laod. A 9-G turn for one hour is less stressful than multiple pulls at a lesser load (say 7-Gs) for 5 seconds apiece. Think of the old paperclip analogy.

Thus it can be argued that the Legacy is one of the STRONGEST biz jet fuselages in the business. 10 cycles to 250 or 350 are more stressful than one to 410 or 510. (You get the idea.)

Are you a Legacy salesman? If not, then why do you care so much?

 

[cl65capt]

This guy is almost as bad as lowecur when it comes to the mighty EMB.