Leave SWA for Fed Ex

[FlyBoeingJets]

You betcha! SWAFO would be singing a different tune if he had the pleasure of flying the four fans of freedom.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Doesn't fedex have a 6 hour trip rig no matter what they fly (under that is)? So who freakin' cares how many days off they get -- they can work less for the same if not more pay. Which means they can afford to drop more (that reserve gig prob helps) because they aren't tied to productivity like all the pax airlines.

Don't work there, so just what my buddies tell me.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

I just looked at Oct (35 days) and Sept (28 days).
For October, the average days off was 18.19.
For September, the average days off was 14.7.

So, it's about 16.48 days off average for a 31 day period.

At the risk of doing more public math. How did you come up with 16.48? I figure--

35 - 18.19 = 16.81
28 - 14.7 = 13.3

The way I read this is on an alternating cycle of 28 and 35 day months you average (16.8 + 13.3) 30.1 days off over 63 days (two months). That's 15.05 days a month.

Another way I chose to figure was to divide 30.1 days by 63 days and then multiply by 31 days. That yields 14.8 days off in a 31 day month

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Doesn't fedex have a 6 hour trip rig no matter what they fly (under that is)? So who freakin' cares how many days off they get -- they can work less for the same if not more pay. Which means they can afford to drop more (that reserve gig prob helps) because they aren't tied to productivity like all the pax airlines.

Don't work there, so just what my buddies tell me.

Not exactly. 1 hr credit for every 4 on duty. On your first and last day of work its not 6 hours unless you fly 6 hours.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

SWA pilots with a little seniority fly 3 4-day trips or 4 3-day trips a regular calender month. If you are a commuter, you can generally commute into or out of domicile on a work day. The other end is an overnight stay in domicile.

Living in domicile is a good gig at SWA. Lots of open time and Extra fly to be had. No 24+ hour layovers if you like that sort of thing. But the flying is real efficient with schedules yielding 6 to over 7 hours of pay per day.

My friends tell me that they can't get a purely commutable trip at swa? Any truth or are they stretching it a lil bit? If that is true, then isn't that a wash? If I have to spend the night in nyc to start or end a trip, then that is another day of work to me. Might mean a redeye for me to avoid an overnight stay, but lately my seniority is helping me avoid them.

Does it have something to do with the AM and PM type schedules?

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Not exactly. 1 hr credit for every 4 on duty. On your first and last day of work its not 6 hours. More like 4.

Those are swa numbers right? They don't have 73s at fedex.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Those are swa numbers right? They don't have 73s at fedex.

And they don't have the Fedex rig at JetBlue either.....

No, we are both talking about the rules at Fedex. I know more than one set of rules. Wanna talk about UPS or CAL???

SWA rule is 5 trips for pay (which is a number about 15% over actual hours). Unless it is open time, then it may not be rigged at all. But a great portion of the flying at SWA does not touch the rig. Lots of time airborne.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

At the risk of doing more public math. How did you come up with 16.48? I figure--

35 - 18.19 = 16.81
28 - 14.7 = 13.3

The way I read this is on an alternating cycle of 28 and 35 day months you average (16.8 + 13.3) 30.1 days off over 63 days (two months). That's 15.05 days a month.

Another way I chose to figure was to divide 30.1 days by 63 days and then multiply by 31 days. That yields 14.8 days off in a 31 day month

I don't work there but my buds that do have an incredible qol (or at least that's what they tell me). One flew about 250 hours in his last year, one hasn't been around memphis much at all in the last two months (bids deadheads), another hasn't flown past midnight since he's been there (18 months), another mil drops without retribution (hear swa isn't treating their reservists well lately, coincidentally) etc etc. You know I have no dog in this fight (yeah that's right I'm jealous of both, maybe I will work for a real airline someday), BUT I think it would probably make more sense to compare contracts and not bid packs. I have been told over and over again that there is so many ways to work your schedule at fedex it's freakin' ridiculous. I don't know that about swa. I am still waiting for that JB vs Fedex thread.


BAWAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

My friends tell me that they can't get a purely commutable trip at swa? Any truth or are they stretching it a lil bit? If that is true, then isn't that a wash? If I have to spend the night in nyc to start or end a trip, then that is another day of work to me. Might mean a redeye for me to avoid an overnight stay, but lately my seniority is helping me avoid them.

Does it have soemthing to do with the AM and PM type schedules?

Yes, as I tried to say it is hard to commute both ends. Plan on spending a night in domicile before the trips starts (AM) or a night after (PM). Almost all trips are AM or PM. Sometimes a trip will switch in the middle or just straddle both, but that is unusual.

Yes, I consider it another day of work to spend the night and commute after. But it doesn't have to be if you live in domicile.

Just trying to compare apples to apples here.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

And they don't have the Fedex rig at JetBlue either.....

No, we are both talking about the rules at Fedex. I know more than one set of rules. Wanna talk about UPS or CAL???

SWA rule is 5 trips for pay (which is a number about 15% over actual hours). Unless it is open time, then it may not be rigged at all. But a great portion of the flying at SWA does not touch the rig. Lots of time airborne.

Dude, relax. I just said they have a 6 hour rig at fedex. At least I am pretty sure they do. I don't even work there, but have a ton of friends that do and they enjoy it. I know at least 15 people that work at swa (ten or so that have started in the last year -- all military) and they love it. So lay off. There's no fire here.


Edit: Picking on the jb pilot is like picking on the retarded kid at class. We know our wages are low, our 401k is anemic, our stock is in the $hitter, our credit rating is in the cellar etc etc -- you don't need to pick a fight with us. We are suffering enough.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

(hear swa isn't treating there reservists well lately, coincidentally) etc etc. You know I have no dog in this fight (yeah that's right I'm jealous of both, maybe I will work for a real airline someday), BUT I think it would probably make more sense to compare contracts and not bid packs. I have been told over and over again that there is so many ways to work your schedule at fedex it's freakin' ridiculous. I don't know that about swa. I am still waiting for that JB vs Fedex thread.


BAWAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

Bragging may or not be the whole truth. You also hear seniority is everything at FedEx too. Lots and lots of FO's don't upgrade to Captain at the earliest opportunity because they don't want to lose their ability to bid the line they want. Lots of variance between the worst line and the best line. I have heard it takes seniority to get those day lines or the density or trip length that you want. Otherwise you get what is left over.

You can compare contracts. That is important. But I was comparing days off and bid lines.

Compare everything before drawing a conclusion. But, like ground school, I like to focus on one thing at a time.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Dude, relax. I just said they have a 6 hour rig at fedex. At least I am pretty sure they do. I don't even work there, but have a ton of friends that do and they enjoy it. I know at least 15 people that work at swa (ten or so that have started in the last year -- all military) and they love it. So lay off. There's no fire here.

I forget friendly sarcasm and my sense of humor does not come across the internet.

Just having fun with you. No insult or flame intended.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Bragging may or not be the whole truth. You also hear seniority is everything at FedEx too. Lots and lots of FO's don't upgrade to Captain at the earliest opportunity because they don't want to lose their ability to bid the line they want. Lots of variance between the worst line and the best line. I have heard it takes seniority to get those day lines or the density or trip length that you want. Otherwise you get what is left over.

You can compare contracts. That is important. But I was comparing days off and bid lines.

Compare everything before drawing a conclusion. But, like ground school, I like to focus on one thing at a time.

Okay, so you get what is left over and you MIL drop the whole bag and then put together a much better schedule. But that's probably working the system.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

I forget friendly sarcasm and my sense of humor does not come across the internet.

Just having fun with you. No insult or flame intended.

I know, fbj.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Okay, so you get what is left over and you MIL drop the whole bag and then put together a much better schedule. But that's probably working the system.

Your kungfu is getting very strong Grasshopper.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Your kungfu is getting very strong Grasshopper.

Chuck Norris puts the laughter in manslaughter.

http://www.chucknorrisfacts.com/

 

[Sluggo_63]

FlyBoeingJets[/left];1128737]At the risk of doing more public math. How did you come up with 16.48? I figure--

35 - 18.19 = 16.81
28 - 14.7 = 13.3

The way I read this is on an alternating cycle of 28 and 35 day months you average (16.8 + 13.3) 30.1 days off over 63 days (two months). That's 15.05 days a month.

Another way I chose to figure was to divide 30.1 days by 63 days and then multiply by 31 days. That yields 14.8 days off in a 31 day month

The 18.19/14.7 numbers were days off, not work days.

In a 35 day month we have an average of 18.19 days off/16.81 work days
In a 28 day month we have an average of 14.70 days off/13.30 work days

I guess a more accurate way to figure it is:
4-35 day months @ 18.19 days off average is 72.76 days off
8-28 day months @ 14.70 days off average is 117.6 days off

72.76+117.6=190.36 days off per year.

190.36/12=15.9 days off each month.

Papa

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Chuck Norris puts the laughter in manslaughter.

http://www.chucknorrisfacts.com/



I almost spit water out my nose.

You got me.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

The 18.19/14.7 numbers were days off, not work days.

In a 35 day month we have an average of 18.19 days off/16.81 work days
In a 28 day month we have an average of 14.70 days off/13.30 work days

I guess a more accurate way to figure it is:
4-35 day months @ 18.19 days off average is 72.76 days off
8-28 day months @ 14.70 days off average is 117.6 days off

72.76+117.6=190.36 days off per year.

190.36/12=15.9 days off each month.

Papa

Thanks for setting me straight.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Ok, now it's confirmed.......he is gay and RETARDED!

My airplane is bigger and cooler than yours....na na na na na

C'mon mega....

If you girls aren't comparing clothes it the size of your chest.....

It's a human thang... not a guy thang!!