Leave SWA for AA or Delta?

[waveflyer]

Yeah, I don't like to give you attention, bc like a 13 year old you know you embellish more than any of us
Speaking of- 5 legs schtick - you really do need new material

Meanwhile- you have plenty of pilots who do 5 legs a. Day- you just view yourself as above them

 

[General Lee]

Yeah, I don't like to give you attention, bc like a 13 year old you know you embellish more than any of us
Speaking of- 5 legs schtick - you really do need new material

Meanwhile- you have plenty of pilots who do 5 legs a. Day- you just view yourself as above them

Thanks Wave, I was mistaken. Red was on his Sixth leg that day doing intra Texas flying. I don't think there are any six leg days here. Thanks!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[waveflyer]

No?
I'm sure you do general
You just outsource it that's how little you respect domestic flying

 

[General Lee]

No?
I'm sure you do general
You just outsource it that's how little you respect domestic flying

Thanks to your 717s coming over, that outsourcing is decreasing, especially since 140 fewer RJs will result due to the latest contract. You should applaud that. The outsourcing is being fixed. Your PFT policy for new hires on the other hand, hasn't been changed. Please work on that.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[tankerhead]

You can say that again. Oh, wait....

 

[redflyer65]

Thanks to your 717s coming over, that outsourcing is decreasing, especially since 140 fewer RJs will result due to the latest contract. You should applaud that. The outsourcing is being fixed. Your PFT policy for new hires on the other hand, hasn't been changed. Please work on that.


Bye Bye---General Lee

You are seriously comparing a type rating (that's deductible) to DALPA outsourcing of almost 50% of their domestic feed over the past 25 yrs with no end in sight?

Not even close to the same Gen. How many Billions of dollars in wages has DALPA flushed away?

140 RJs. That's a drop in the bucket compared to the the total number. Rather embarrassing to the entire profession that DL had close to 1000 RJ airframes flying around.

As far as intra-Texas goes....I don't think I've ever done more than two consecutive Texas legs back to back. So plainly you have no clue about what you are talking about. I usually do two or three leg day and I'm home having a beer by the pool by 1pm on day three. Its a great schedule. And of course, no redeyes. Those blow.

 

[General Lee]

You are seriously comparing a type rating (that's deductible) to DALPA outsourcing of almost 50% of their domestic feed over the past 25 yrs with no end in sight?

Not even close to the same Gen. How many Billions of dollars in wages has DALPA flushed away?

140 RJs. That's a drop in the bucket compared to the the total number. Rather embarrassing to the entire profession that DL had close to 1000 RJ airframes flying around.

As far as intra-Texas goes....I don't think I've ever done more than two bconsecutive Texas legs back to back. So plainly you have no clue about what you are talking about. I usually do two or three leg day and I'm home having a beer by the pool by 1pm on day three. Its a great schedule. And of course, no redeyes. Those blow.

Hi Red. 210 50 seaters will be parked, 70 new 76 seaters will be added, for a net loss of 140. If you don't think 140 RJs leaving is a lot, then you might be "Nuts!" (Think herb...)

It's great the 737 types are deductible, but they ain't free. It's too bad your airline still requires them for newhires. SWA can afford to pay for your training, but chooses not to. Just like Wave stated, fix the outsourcing problem, and t appears the DL pilots started with the last contract. Now it's your turn to stop something that hurts our profession. To say it doesn't is just wrong, and you can't justify it.

And one of those AT guys who initially went to Corndog school said he did 6 legs his first day on an intra Texas trip. They exist, and that sucks. I bet you LUV staying within Texas for 3 days and getting 18 total landings. Fantastic! Did GK say the redeyes would go away totally? I don't think so. And when I do an allnighter, there are either 3 or 4 pilots, meaning I get paid to nap. It's really great.


Bye Bye----General Lee

 

[General Lee]

You can say that again. Oh, wait....

Some people can't seem to understand it the first time around... Come on guys, this isn't tough. This isn't VNAV or autothrottles for you guys, or ETOPS....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[waveflyer]

Pleases stop saying that you don't fly 6 legs a day, when the only reason you don't is because you outsourced it

 

[General Lee]

Pleases stop saying that you don't fly 6 legs a day, when the only reason you don't is because you outsourced it

Kinda like your company outsourced the type ratings? Not good for our profession. The RJ outsourcing is currently shrinking by the day, thanks to the last contract. You can't dent it, but your PFT deal requiring a type for newhires is still in effect. Work on it. Eliminate it. Do it. Do it.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[waveflyer]

Our company "outsourced type ratings"......?

That's cool little girl. Call it pft. Try and redefine the type as "outsourcing"-
There's just zero need to defend SWA to anybody at delta.

How many "delta" pilots do you guys have that qualify for food stamps on their 6 legs a day?

 

[General Lee]

Our company "outsourced type ratings"......?

That's cool little girl. Call it pft. Try and redefine the type as "outsourcing"-
There's just zero need to defend SWA to anybody at delta.

How many "delta" pilots do you guys have that qualify for food stamps on their 6 legs a day?

None. They weren't hired by DL and not on the seniority list. How many AT 737 pilots who are a part of the SWA seniority list make the same money per hour as their 737 counterparts flying the same type plane???? Answer that little girl.... Your perfect company has a couple big problems, the PFT deal for newhires, and the crazy deal with the AT 737 pilots on a B Scale.... Shame on you little girl...??....?


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[waveflyer]

Such riveting conversation sellout

I'd love to continue, but it's date night, and even parents of young kids need to get it on now and then

Good night and good luck with all that insane outsourcing-

We should run that in the paper again- how many delta pilots are on food stamps bc their union won't let them on the list

 

[SWA Bubba]

None. They weren't hired by DL and not on the seniority list. How many AT 737 pilots who are a part of the SWA seniority list make the same money per hour as their 737 counterparts flying the same type plane???? Answer that little girl.... Your perfect company has a couple big problems, the PFT deal for newhires, and the crazy deal with the AT 737 pilots on a B Scale.... Shame on you little girl...??....?


Bye Bye---General Lee

I'll answer that for you, General.

The answer is "none." There are NO pilots on the SWA seniority list who make any different amount of money than any other on the list (with the same seat/seniority, that is).

AirTran guys who make the transition join the list when they get a SWA ID, and at that point, they're covered by our CBA and its payrates. While on the AirTran side of the partition, they are NOT on the SWA seniority list. Why I just pulled it up a few minutes ago to check. The SWA Seniority List is updated continually, is available on the company employee website whenever one wants, and grows each time a transition class is started.

On the other hand, there IS a different list that you can find that SWAPA has, that says where AirTran people will be on the SWA seniority list, when the time comes that they actually transition, but they're not on the SWA Seniority List until they do.

Satisfied yet? Probably not.

Bubba

 

[bluesideup1]

If SWA Bubba, Redflyer65 and waveflyer would stop feeding the troll all most people would see is this: This message is hidden because General Lee is on your ignore list.

 

[redflyer65]

Pleases stop saying that you don't fly 6 legs a day, when the only reason you don't is because you outsourced it

Ouch. Talk about summing up the DL outsourcing in one sentence. Very true. We all know it's beneath the Riverboat Captains to fly such a small plane.

 

[scoreboardII]

Folks, remember GL is nothing more than a post generator for FI, he is paid by the owners to maximize profit, and he does that by maximizing posts, reposts, etc.

 

[General Lee]

Folks, remember GL is nothing more than a post generator for FI, he is paid by the owners to maximize profit, and he does that by maximizing posts, reposts, etc.

Yeah, ok, that's the ticket..... A post generator that saw your screw job for the AT guys and how your PFT type scheme for newhires is pure bunk... Sure Gramps! Enjoy MAF with Red......


Bye Bye---Post Generator

 

[Hpilot]

Your PFT policy for new hires on the other hand, hasn't been changed. Please work on that.


Bye Bye---General Lee

I've got to agree with the General on this one. The having to buy a type is BS. Could I have afforded to buy one when I hit 1000 121 PIC at my commuter? Yes, but I refused to. Could mom and dad have bought my first 100 multi or could I have gotten a Cheiftain job sooner by paying for it, instead of waiting for it? Yes, but I refused to. The sooner the pay to get a job garbage goes away the better.

 

[redflyer65]

The truth is Southwest has interviewed thousands without the type rating. And plenty of been hired. So nobody had to buy anything for an interview. I know, because I'm one of many.

I like the General's feigned outrage for the AirTran pilots. Does anyone on this board believe he really gives a crap about them? He never did before.

That, along with LBB and MAF.... is just an anti-SW rant, has nothing to do with AirTran. Never has.

 

[General Lee]

The truth is Southwest has interviewed thousands without the type rating. And plenty of been hired. So nobody had to buy anything for an interview. I know, because I'm one of many.

I like the General's feigned outrage for the AirTran pilots. Does anyone on this board believe he really gives a crap about them? He never did before.

That, along with LBB and MAF.... is just an anti-SW rant, has nothing to do with AirTran. Never has.

I struck a nerve I guess Red. I never disliked the AT guys, but I did have "spirited" debates with some early on, inducing Ty Webb. He and I would try to slam each other all the time. Then, we both calmed down, and before your merger we made peace and respect each other now (as much as you can do on an anonymous board).

Then came your merger, which many had high expectations, of a better life and mutual respect between both groups..... The Corndogs had two previous mergers to watch to get it right.....and, I think many believe they failed. Two groups flying the same plane at different rates? After the joint contract? Really? And NO AT Capts allowed directly onto the planes they brought to the merger? (737s in the transition) Huh??? What a great opportunity lost.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

I struck a nerve I guess Red. I never disliked the AT guys, but I did have "spirited" debates with some early on, inducing Ty Webb. He and I would try to slam each other all the time. Then, we both calmed down, and before your merger we made peace and respect each other now (as much as you can do on an anonymous board).

Then came your merger, which many had high expectations, of a better life and mutual respect between both groups..... The Corndogs had two previous mergers to watch to get it right.....and, I think many believe they failed. Two groups flying the same plane at different rates? After the joint contract? Really? And NO AT Capts allowed directly onto the planes they brought to the merger? (737s in the transition) Huh??? What a great opportunity lost.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Struck a nerve? No, not really. I don't really care about what you have to say other than just calling you out for most of the BS that you spew. It's the same crap day in and day out. Feigned outrage plain and simple.

 

[waveflyer]

Hey TY WEBB

General says you respect and have an overall man crush on him(!)

Is that TRUE??

 

[HowardBorden]

The truth is Southwest has interviewed thousands without the type rating. And plenty of been hired.

Count me as another one!

When I was hired the average first year pay at all the legacies was around $30 an hour. Southwest's first year pay was about $50 an hour. So, got to a legacy (that weren't hiring at the time) for roughly $27000 first year pay OR go to SWA for $45000 first year pay? That is an $18000 difference. Even if I had paid $10000 for the type (I didn't pay nearly that much) which I was required to obtain AFTER my offer of employment, I was ahead at least $8000 by getting my type for SWA. What decision would you have made in that set of circumstances? For me the more than $8000 I gained by going to SWA in the first year alone was way more than worth it. Couple that with the superior work rules and rigs compared with the BK rates and contracts that all the legacies were saddled with for a decade and the choice was easy.

 

[-9Capt]

.....

 

[HowardBorden]

I'm sure glad buying the type rating paid off for you, because after all, it's all about you, isn't it?

Yes, it is all about me and of course my family. I made a decision that has already paid 100 fold and allows me to ultimately provide for my family. If that is somehow suspect in your twisted perspective then so be it. Obviously financial gain is not in your decision making process when choosing employment which explains your career decisions regarding employers.

 

[acaTerry]

Don't do it. Seniority is everything. Unless another airline has a base you want or already live in, you'll be just chasing your tail. Things are constantly changing, and so it will be at southwest or xyz airline. Enjoy your good fortune!

Seniority is NOTHING if you will never upgrade (people who desire a right seat career aside). I'd go to where I can realistically expect to one day see the left seat before I'm too old to enjoy it.

 

[-9Capt]

Yes, it is all about me and of course my family. I made a decision that has already paid 100 fold and allows me to ultimately provide for my family. If that is somehow suspect in your twisted perspective then so be it. Obviously financial gain is not in your decision making process when choosing employment which explains your career decisions regarding employers.

I'm so happy that paying for a type rating has worked out well for you and your family and that the moral issues associated with doing so don't seem to bother you in the least. My employment decisions have paid off handsomely for me and provided rapid seniority advancement and the ability to enjoy a myriad of leisure activities outside of work...all without the shame of PTF.

 

[-9Capt]

Seniority is NOTHING if you will never upgrade (people who desire a right seat career aside). I'd go to where I can realistically expect to one day see the left seat before I'm too old to enjoy it.

Correctamundo.

 

[HowardBorden]

I'm so happy that paying for a type rating has worked out well for you and your family and that the moral issues associated with doing so don't seem to bother you in the least. My employment decisions have paid off handsomely for me and provided rapid seniority advancement and the ability to enjoy a myriad of leisure activities outside of work...all without the shame of PTF.

You are correct, doing the right thing for my family does not bother me in the least. And I am quite certain that the moral outrage on your part will not allow you to accept employment at the evil Southwest Airlines!