Lear 31A F/O Needed

[Uncle Sparky]

Our company is looking for a "lower" time F/O to fly out of our home base; the lovely desert paradise of Kuwait City.

The aircraft is a low-time (1,600hrs) nicely equipped and maintained Lear 31a. Planned flight hours for next year are 400 (we are currently flying less than 250hrs though).

Operations include day trips throughout the entire Arabian Peninsula, northern Africa and some overnights in Europe. We have been averaging 4-8 overnights/month.

Duties will be inline with CFR pt91 industry standards for a First Officer, and we fly within the duty/flight time rules of pt135. Minimal collateral duties will be required but rest assured, you won't be cleaning landing gear and vacuuming the airplane (we have a ground crew for that purpose).

Time requirements are 3,000 t/t....2,000 turbine....1,000 Lear 30 series (only 31, 35, 36!!). These requirements are stated in our insurance agreement so don't bother if you don't meet or exceed them. On that same note, the boss wants "a lower time, sub-30 year old" First Officer. He also stated that he "won't hire anyone who has a type that begins with an A or a B". I know it sounds corny (I'm just the messenger) but what he's afraid of is the "greener pastures" phenomenon. With that said, a one year training agreement (no cost out of your pocket unless you leave early) is part of the contract.



Now, the important part……..PAY: IRO-$70,000usd/yr Medical, Dental and Life are included. The salary is tax-free and if you wire it back to the States, the same applies up to $82k. (I think it may have been raised to $85k, if anyone knows let me know).



Anyone who is interested PM me.



Patrick

 

[h25b]

How is housing handled ???

 

[Uncle Sparky]

How is housing handled ???

That's a frequent question that I get in the department of "Mid-East Horror Stories and Misinformation". I've been told that what our company does is common in the ME. The salary includes a transportation allowance and a housing allowance but those are factored into the total salary figure.



As a hypothetical example; the above listed number is $70k.



Base pay might be $50,000. Housing could be $15,000. Transportation would be $5,000 and bring the total to $70,000.



There are very few "compounds" in Kuwait and those are either for regular military or contract security teams. Even those aren't really a compound (like Saudi Arabia has) but just an apartment building or floor that a company rents. Rent for a descent place starts around $800/mo. Simply put, you rent a place just like you do in most western countries. They even have Century 21 here!

 

[CapnVegetto]

Seems like it won't be easy to find someone with that kind of time that wants to move halfway across the world to pull gear in a Lear. Heck, that's almost enough for PIC over here, depending on the company. It sure would be nice not having to pay tax though.

 

[banned username 2]

Time requirements are 3,000 t/t....2,000 turbine....1,000 Lear 30 series (only 31, 35, 36!!).

Geez, leaves me out, I think I only have about 950 hours in 30 series Lears...

 

[bafanguy]

Uncle,

How many inquiries have you gotten ? I see these type of jobs advertised occasionally but don't know how the responses went. I'd guess there'd be no shortage of takers ?

 

[h25b]

That's pretty low pay for the qualifications and the fact that it's in Kuwait. The 70K figure wouldn't be bad if they provided housing on top of that.

 

[Storm Chaser]

Let me get this straight...you want someone to move to the other side of the world and not provide them with housing or transportation? Hell I was in India flying a cessna 340 and almost made that much. And how is the salary tax free??? Just wondering if my accountant did something wrong when I filed my income tax?

Like H25B said...pretty low pay for the qualifications your looking for and for being in a another country.

 

[CAVOK69]

Not at all worth it imo... I hate the middle east and with that "low" amount of flight time, you could easily find a PIC Jet job in the states and make the same amount of money.
YOur bosses requirements are unrealistic

 

[CapnVegetto]

Cavok's right. I have about 500 hours of LR-JET time, so I don't meet your requirements. But I'm pretty sure I could find a decent PIC or Co-Captain gig here in the states, and make somewhere near that pay, and I wouldn't have to move to freakin Kuwait and get shot at and blown up by frickin crazy a$$ arabs.

Might be a decent gig for a lower time guy looking for a type rating, but 3000 hours and 1000 in type? That's pretty steep for a gear puller in a Learjet.

 

[AIR2MUD]

Good luck finding someone...

 

[Uncle Sparky]

Uncle,

How many inquiries have you gotten ? I see these type of jobs advertised occasionally but don't know how the responses went. I'd guess there'd be no shortage of takers ?

.....about 50 for the 350' posting.......most of them aren't qualified or are over-qualified. Surprisingly, despite fuel prices, the economy (and the job market) seem to be faring pretty well.

 

[Uncle Sparky]

Cavok's right. I have about 500 hours of LR-JET time, so I don't meet your requirements. But I'm pretty sure I could find a decent PIC or Co-Captain gig here in the states, and make somewhere near that pay, and I wouldn't have to move to freakin Kuwait and get shot at and blown up by frickin crazy a$$ arabs.

Might be a decent gig for a lower time guy looking for a type rating, but 3000 hours and 1000 in type? That's pretty steep for a gear puller in a Learjet.

Wow!.....I guess I should consider myself lucky that I took this job!.(if I consider the payscale that you're proposing) Back in the States, I was only making $75k as a Lear 35 Captain.

........and I wouldn't have to move to freakin Kuwait and get shot at and blown up by frickin crazy a$$ arabs.

.

yeah, you're right........the toughest part of my day is trying to wake up the wifey, so that she can mount the "fifty" and lay down some covering fire long enough for me to get the car started and go to work!

Maroone!!

 

[Uncle Sparky]

Let me get this straight...you want someone to move to the other side of the world and not provide them with housing or transportation? Hell I was in India flying a cessna 340 and almost made that much. And how is the salary tax free??? Just wondering if my accountant did something wrong when I filed my income tax?

Like H25B said...pretty low pay for the qualifications your looking for and for being in a another country.

I find it really amusing how you guys "almost" made that much and are "almost" qualified for the job. Yeah, right; I "almost" dated a Supermodel and I "almost" won the Jersey Lottery!

Maybe your accountant did do something wrong. Or maybe he's laughing all the way to the bank, with your ex-money in hand. I don't know.

What I do know is that the government of Kuwait does not charge taxes. I also know that I wire transfer $4,000usd a month back to the States and other than my greedy bank taking their cut, nobody else touches a cent. I haven't talked to my accountant yet, but I've been told that I can send as much as $82,000usd back to the States each year, without it being taxed. And if that last statement isn't accurate, then anybody with two brain cells to rub together knows that there is more than one way to transfer money back to the States........but I won't go into detail on that one for obvious reasons!


With that said when you consider that standard deductions (taxes, medical etc.) in the US run around % 60-70, then that would make that $70,000 paycheck equivalent to a $100,000 paycheck. Now, if there is someone in the US making $100k to "pull the gear on a 35", please let me know and I'll send you my resume'.

 

[Metro752]

Cavok's right. I have about 500 hours of LR-JET time, so I don't meet your requirements. But I'm pretty sure I could find a decent PIC or Co-Captain gig here in the states, and make somewhere near that pay, and I wouldn't have to move to freakin Kuwait and get shot at and blown up by frickin crazy a$$ arabs.

Might be a decent gig for a lower time guy looking for a type rating, but 3000 hours and 1000 in type? That's pretty steep for a gear puller in a Learjet.

was waitin for someone to say that, havent laughed so hard all day!

 

[Storm Chaser]

Well just to set the record straight there Spark.....69 K is almost 70k plus my company paid for all my transportation, provided me with a cell phone that I could call international and they footed the bill. Granted it was a company based in the states and that is why I had to pay taxes, but then again if you added in my private driver and cell phone...I would think that adds up to just about 70k if not more (TO FLY A CESSNA 340). Oh yeah....no contract either.

I dont want to waste my time and get into a argument here. I just think your requirments are a little high for what you have to do and where you have to do it.

 

[CAVOK69]

i guess you have to ask yourself.. is making "100k" to yank the gear up on a 31a worth living in an area of current conflict that is not the friendliest to americans, sweating your ass off away from what most of us would consider civilization... ??

I guess what we were saying is that with those minimums you are competitive to fly a lear 31a as PIC in the US and probably make around 65-80k a year, while visiting your local bar on the weekends and not having to worry about being kidnapped and shipped to iraq for your scheduled be-hedding.

Just a thought!

 

[airludy]

I would do it for 100k.

 

[414Flyer]

Well just to set the record straight there Spark.....69 K is almost 70k plus my company paid for all my transportation, provided me with a cell phone that I could call international and they footed the bill. Granted it was a company based in the states and that is why I had to pay taxes, but then again if you added in my private driver and cell phone...I would think that adds up to just about 70k if not more (TO FLY A CESSNA 340). Oh yeah....no contract either.

I dont want to waste my time and get into a argument here. I just think your requirments are a little high for what you have to do and where you have to do it.

Yeah, but could you have endured staying in Hinduland for a year to make that much money if it was year round flying?

 

[oldxfr8dog]

the toughest part of my day is trying to wake up the wifey, so that she can mount the "fifty" and lay down some covering fire long enough for me to get the car started and go to work!

Maroone!!

OH!! AHA! Another fly-in-the-ointment! We have to buy our OWN AMMO!