Latest at Flexjet?

[ArtVandalay]

yeah a 3 step kitchen stool to clean engines off with

 

[Dooker]

Got a nice little raise today, thx flexjet.

Please, do tell.

 

[Ref]

Please, do tell.

I agree

 

[DUATS]

I heard 4% raise, about 4 and a half percent bonus, and a chance of some recalls before the end of the year.

 

[smartelephant]

And you heard that last part from who exactly?

 

[ArtVandalay]

duats, no recalls this year and correct on the other. with the bonus about an 8.7 percent raise BUT, yes I know, we work more so you guys can do the math.......at least our pay is higher than netjets now so, can we start saying that WE set the bar?? pleeeease, I want to say it just once!

 

[gunfyter]

can we start saying that WE set the bar?? pleeeease, I want to say it just once!

Absolutely!

I am starting to feel underpaid already.

And we are locked into this CBA until 2016... So we'll never catch you before then...:crying:

 

[realityman]

And we are locked into this CBA until 2016...

Sort of. The CBA is amenable in November of 2012. However, I'd agree it would be prudent for NJA to exercise the provision to extend the contract. However, remember that if they do that, there are built-in raises. Oh, it's not a whole lot. Certainly not more than we could get from negotiations, but just wanted to clarify that technically speaking, if they do extend the contract, we'll be getting at least a little more money.

 

[glasspilot]

You're saying you could negotiate MORE money now? I did not see that coming.

 

[Club ORD FO]

our pay is NOT higher than netjets by the way... still behind them and CS

 

[gunfyter]

our pay is NOT higher than netjets by the way... still behind them and CS

Looks higher to me on APC... on the Challenger and when you add 8.7%

The more raises at FlexJets ... the better. :beer:

 

[Club ORD FO]

Well, granted I have not seen the new numbers but we were more than 5% below before so I am making an assumption. According to APC, and using netjets 7/7 (their lowest paying schedule):

Netjets / Old Flex / New flex?

5th year FO: $375 / $344 / ?
10th year CA: $655 / $607 / ?

Don't forget that a 10 year CA at flex is on the 9 year pay scale. So the numbers are probably pretty close now. Our overtime pay though is an entirely different story. Feel free to double check my numbers. Nice to get a raise though, I'm not complaining

 

[dashtrasher]

Well, granted I have not seen the new numbers but we were more than 5% below before so I am making an assumption. According to APC, and using netjets 7/7 (their lowest paying schedule):

Netjets / Old Flex / New flex?

5th year FO: $375 / $344 / ?
10th year CA: $655 / $607 / ?

Don't forget that a 10 year CA at flex is on the 9 year pay scale. So the numbers are probably pretty close now. Our overtime pay though is an entirely different story. Feel free to double check my numbers. Nice to get a raise though, I'm not complaining

The pay rates for Flex on APC have not been correct for a year or so, the're on the low side. Fourth year FO should be 341, fifth 357 and that was before this 4% raise.

 

[J3guy]

The pay rates for Flex on APC have not been correct for a year or so, the're on the low side. Fourth year FO should be 341, fifth 357 and that was before this 4% raise.

Dashtrash is correct, probably been 2yrs since anyone updated flex pay on apc. thankyou flex

 

[C604Pilot]

Let me make this easy.
A bonus is not a PAY RAISE. Second, we DO NOT make more than Netjets. The numbers given by Mgmt are based on 202 days, not 185 or 195 like our competition. So sure, work more than the other guy and you will earn more, vs. work less and paid more. Third, recalls, 3 months to train and be back on line. None scheduled now or for the first part of summer. What was said was they are looking at the END of the YEAR. Finally, pay raise is roughly 4%.

 

[DUATS]

Let me make this easy.
A bonus is not a PAY RAISE. Second, we DO NOT make more than Netjets. The numbers given by Mgmt are based on 202 days, not 185 or 195 like our competition. So sure, work more than the other guy and you will earn more, vs. work less and paid more. Third, recalls, 3 months to train and be back on line. None scheduled now or for the first part of summer. What was said was they are looking at the END of the YEAR. Finally, pay raise is roughly 4%.

Glad someone else pointed out the difference between a raise and a bonus. When I was in management, I used to give bonuses because they were less expensive than raises in the long run.

And recalls for next winter is what I heard, and what makes sense. Should have made that clearer.

If/when the 85 come back, it looks like the current 14 day guarantee will pay almost as much annually as the old 16 day line did - since there are two intervening pay raises.

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

Bonus, raise, whatever. Bottom line, congrats on an increase and with that a hope of more stability for our industry. Keep up the good work Flex, and keep raising the bar for all our pilots future suce$$.
I had to say this now before The master FUD spinner and general PITA B showed up and ruined the moment for everyone.

 

[Praetorian]

Let me make this easy.
A bonus is not a PAY RAISE. Second, we DO NOT make more than Netjets. The numbers given by Mgmt are based on 202 days, not 185 or 195 like our competition. So sure, work more than the other guy and you will earn more, vs. work less and paid more. Third, recalls, 3 months to train and be back on line. None scheduled now or for the first part of summer. What was said was they are looking at the END of the YEAR. Finally, pay raise is roughly 4%.

A few crumbs off management's table. Just enough to keep the union at bay. Just curious do you guys also have a "focus group" like the Avantair does?

 

[ArtVandalay]

Well, granted I have not seen the new numbers but we were more than 5% below before so I am making an assumption. According to APC, and using netjets 7/7 (their lowest paying schedule):

Netjets / Old Flex / New flex?

5th year FO: $375 / $344 / ?
10th year CA: $655 / $607 / ?

Don't forget that a 10 year CA at flex is on the 9 year pay scale. So the numbers are probably pretty close now. Our overtime pay though is an entirely different story. Feel free to double check my numbers. Nice to get a raise though, I'm not complaining

Yo Club! The "missing" rates for your 5th year FO is $371. 10 Yr CA is: $678.

Mr 604 pilot, if you read my post I specifically said we work MORE than netjets, however, our pay IS more now.

 

[unclepetey]

So, recalls or not?

 

[Flex-ible]

So, recalls or not?

A definite.....maybe......

Sentiment seems to be IF business holds or picks up, there will be a need for next winter's busy season. I'm guessing that would be mean September-ish?

It would be nice if they decided and notified early. Reduce the stress level. New pay levels sound great.

 

[Club ORD FO]

Yo Club! The "missing" rates for your 5th year FO is $371. 10 Yr CA is: $678.

Mr 604 pilot, if you read my post I specifically said we work MORE than netjets, however, our pay IS more now.

minor detail at this point but our new 10 yr CA rate is 650/day. remember that that captain rates are -1 year. a 5 year FO moves to the CA year 4 payscale. Just comparing apples to apples. Of course I have no idea if the NJ rates on APC are correct

 

[gunfyter]

Looks like the APC NetJets rates are correct making 10yr Capt about $655/day...

 

[ArtVandalay]

A definite.....maybe......

Sentiment seems to be IF business holds or picks up, there will be a need for next winter's busy season. I'm guessing that would be mean September-ish?

It would be nice if they decided and notified early. Reduce the stress level. New pay levels sound great.

This is not true. There will be no call backs this year. Straight from the horses' mouth.

 

[Nolife]

This is not true. There will be no call backs this year. Straight from the horses' mouth.

Which horse, TC, KK or FR? I remember FR saying "we'll bleed red before we furlough..." well we all know how that went. Point is management just reacts and it seems their crystal ball is really a dark round turd. Recalls may or may not happen... but thanks for the positive words Art.

 

[DUATS]

This is not true. There will be no call backs this year. Straight from the horses' mouth.

Art:
You seem more pessimistic than others posting here. I also heard that Fred hinted at recalls late this year at the last meeting, while Tom was less hopeful.

 

[DirtyBeech]

A few crumbs off management's table. Just enough to keep the union at bay. Just curious do you guys also have a "focus group" like the Avantair does?

Yes, we have the newly founded Focus Group.

 

[FalconPilot69]

You mean the newly formed, how fast can I become management group? Yes.

Yes, we have the newly founded Focus Group.

 

[Hung Start]

Well, I guess the latest at Flex is, I got a bonus check!! Been out for over a year, and received a very pleasant surprise.

So,, thanks guys for working so hard this past year. I do hope to be back someday to help you.

Hung

 

[Hawker1969]

Me Too. Thanks Guys.