Latest ABX 767 Freighter

[G4G5]

Is there or was there an issue with the floor or something of the mod 767's?

This appears to be one of the reasons why so many descent pax aircraft are still sitting in the desert. I spoke with a buddy of mine @UPS who gets involved with these things. He told me that UPS had looked at picking up 744 from the deset but the floors were not delivered to the pax customers with the necessary floor loading requirements for cargo built in. When you think about it, it makes sence. Why would a company like UAL opt for a stronger heavier floor, when they don't need it?

He also mentioned something about the Ldg gear, needing reinforcement for the heavier ldg weights.

 

[abxaviator]

Hey AV8OR, Ever hear the one about stones and glass houses?

"It is a amazing." ?

 

[abxaviator]

G4 - The floors in the converted ac are completely removed and rebuilt to handle the cargo loading. Our first freighter was way overdue as a result of all the engineering challenges.

 

[G4G5]

He mentioned that they would have to do the samething with the 744. When UPS did the cost analysis of replacing the floor and upgrading the gear the costs were not in line with what he thought they should be.

Apparently UPS now has decided to go for the A380 vs the 744's from the desert.

 

[LarryinTN]

I don't know how the costs work out but it is hard to imagine how a new aircraft is cheaper. Our initial bunch of ANA 767s, plus the sim in ILN, came out to be $27 Million per airplane converted. I haven't heard a number for the latest airplanes with the cargo door but it shouldn't be much different as they both require completely new floors. A new 762F would be what? 2-1/2 to 3 times as much?

 

[findtech]

Does the new door equipped aircraft have rollers? If so, will it still be possible to use C containers in it?

 

[LarryinTN]

The A-Container aircraft, both 767 and DC8, are conventional freighters in every way. They have cookie sheets that slide in and can convert any A-container aircraft to hold Cs.

 

[AV8OR]

Hey AV8OR, Ever hear the one about stones and glass houses?

"It is a amazing." ?

Yes I have. You seem to be offended about something I wrote, and I must say I am clueless. I even went back and read my posts to see if anything could have been seen as offensive, sooo, just what the heck is this all about. What are you referencing? Do you not think it is amazing that a 4 engine jet burns less gas than a 3 engine jet? Dude I really don't know what you meant by that post.

Enlighten me. Please.

 

[Brett Hull]

"sure makes since"....What the? I are a collej grad. ...since=sense

It's the engines...the DC-8-73's burn less than a 727. It is a amazing.

In the post where you chided someone because of their spelling deficiency, you made a grammatical error. It should be "It is amazing" (leave out the extra "a").

 

[AV8OR]

Well, thank you Brett. And I really do mean that, cause I was clueless.

If that is indeed the issue here, then I must say that is the funniest dang thing I've seen in a while. Why? Cause if ya look at who I quoted and who I was "chiding", uh, that would be myself. I had re-read my previous post and noticed that I had spelled "sense", "since". (See post #7, first sentence.) But, I guess if someone wants to take issue with me chiding myself for my own mistake, I guess that's OK. I guess I should be equally appreciative and offended all at the same time. LOL.

By the way, the extra "a" wasn't a misspelling, I just got a little "jiggy" with my "A" key.

 

[abxaviator]

Well, don't I seem silly! Yes, that was the point, but I completely missed that you were chiding yourself; one of my many mistakes, sorry.

 

[LarryinTN]

the funniest dang thing I've seen in a while. Why? Cause if ya look at who I quoted and who I was "chiding", uh, that would be myself.

That is pretty funny...

 

[AV8OR]

Hey man. No harm done. It's all good! Hopefully for all of us.

Greasy side down!

 

[Rhoid]

Doesn't Astar currently operate JFK-BRU or somewhere in the states to DHL's european hub? I think what the ABX guy was getting at is that ABX is doing proving runs on the BRU-ILN route to take over this flying from Astar.

 

[AV8OR]

Yes AStar operates multiple JFK-BRU-BAH and back flights. I wouldn't begin to presume what he meant, but since scope is for all purposes a dead issue, it really doesn't matter what anybody means, DHL is going to do whatever they dang well please.

In a bigger, but related issue....

DHL backs rival Fedex in call to remove air cargo curbs

February 7, 2005 8:35am
Europe Intelligence Wire


EXPRESS giant DHL has added its weight to a call by US rival Fedex for the removal of all market restrictions on cargo airline ownership on the trans-Atlantic freight trade.

The carrier, part of the Deutsche Port World Net group, would be happy to compete in an unrestricted market on both sides of the pond, top management told Lloyd's List.

'We are on nearly the same line [as Fedex],' said Monika Wulf-Mathies, Germany-based managing director for policy and sustainability. 'We are in favour of a full liberalisation of air cargo between the US and the EU. And a solution for cargo could pave the way for a bilateral agreement for passengers.'

Fedex shook up the international express market last month with a call for cargo airlines on each side of the Atlantic to be allowed to wholly own airlines in opposing territory. Present legislation restricts ownership to a minority shareholding.

Lifting restrictions would improve coverage for both market leaders, which rely on a system of bilateral agreements, subsidiaries and partnerships to guarantee door-to-door coverage worldwide.

Today's rules are more favourable to Fedex than DHL, said Ms Wulf-Mathies. European companies are restricted to 25% control of companies in the US, she said, while US companies can own up to 49% of European rivals.

Bilateral agreements give Fedex 'something near to cabotage' in Europe, said Ms Wulf-Mathies.

European cargo carriers are said to have been the victim of 'protectionist tendencies' in the US, particularly since the emergence of new security concerns.

The European Commission is understood to be looking at the possibility of a trans-Atlantic cargo agreement, which could foreshadow a full open skies passenger agreement between the two trading blocs. Such an agreement is thought to be technically feasible given the small number four of big international players in the express cargo market.
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