Latest ABX 767 Freighter

[AV8OR]

Dang. Same here. I was gettin all jazzed about doin Deer Valley on my 61hr layover.

Oh well.

 

[hvydriver]

I was gonna try to find Marie Osmond. Always had a thing for her. Especially when she and Donny sang "She's a little bit country".

 

[LarryinTN]

Somebody is making decisions without any regard for how they will be implimented and SLC certainly isn't the first example.

We heard this afternoon that we're getting SLC back. So far I've only heard it through the rumor mill but you schedule change seems to support it.

What I don't understand is why 767s are flying relatively short trips while 727s and DC8 are flying longer trips. It would seem to make sense to put the most efficient airplane on the longer trips and keep the less efficient ones on the shorter trips. That's what they did when they phased in the 767.

BTW, what does a DC8-73 burn an hour? Are all of yours -73s or are there some 71s and 72s in the fleet?

Ours are all 63s and 61LD's (61's with the 63's long duct engines). We had 62s but they've all been retired. IIRC, they burned in the 12,000#-14,000#/hr range.

 

[hvydriver]

LJ,

DC8-73's burn about 11k per hour average on a 8 hour run, and carry 100k in payload. What does ya'lls 767 do? I don't have a clue.

 

[LarryinTN]

The 767 guys say that it burns about 10,000 lbs/hr. I don't know the payload but it's more than what our DC8s can carry. I'll see if I can find out.

 

[ABXbooger]

Not a 767 guy, but I found this info...

MTOW 767-200= 395,000
Empty weight ~180,000
Fuel ~24,000 gals.


with a fuel burn of around 10K an hour, flight of 9 hours (europe) gives a max payload of 125K or so, just an educated guess.?

 

[hvydriver]

Booger,

It depends. Is your 767-200 an ER version or not? It's a big difference. The 395k MTOW you're using is for the ER version.

 

[abxaviator]

MTOW on our 76's is 310,000 or 315,000 for the increased weight models. I don't have the numbers for the BOW's.

 

[hvydriver]

Aviator,


I'm not up on BOW's for 767's, but 180 sounds a tad high. Even so, I'm guessing 50k in cargo capacity available on an oceanic run, after fuel would be in the ballpark. The 8's can carry 100k. ER's would be a different story.

 

[abexpilot]

At least for ABX, past problems with the DC-8's, have been more of a "bulk out" limitation rather than problems with absolute weight. Hopefully, the next batch of "large aircraft" that have been so hotly rumored lately will have "ER" capabilities and would make the weight v. volume issue mute.

 

[ABXbooger]

Check this link out...

www.planemad.net

it shows aircraft fleets and what models SN etc. Several 767's sittin in the desert as we speak...

rumors I am hearing are for larger aircraft including over water models. The rumor of the proving run from Europe is true. A friend of mine spoke with the guy who is doing it. The union is also talking about int'l flying...

 

[LarryinTN]

Here's something I never thought I see DHL say...

Packages will be loaded into Type C shipping containers, a more space-efficient model that is smaller than the standard Type A container and which is used only by DHL in the U.S. Type C containers are ideal for shipping botanicals and other fragile or perishable items because they receive less handling during the shipping process.

http://www.dhl-usa.com/about/pr/PRDetail.asp?nav=&seq=746

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Off topic question....


What are ABX's crew bases?

 

[LarryinTN]

The primary domicile is ILN. We have a small domicile in MIA. It's less than ten DC8 crews who fly charters to the Caribbean, Central and South America. The MIA operation is not part of the DHL system.

 

[Teets]

The B737 burns about 5800lbs an hour in cruise at FL300 and above. I plan on about 9000 to 10000 in the first hour.

 

[steamgauge]

Here's something I never thought I see DHL say...



http://www.dhl-usa.com/about/pr/PRDetail.asp?nav=&seq=746

Me, neither. But it makes sense in some special circumstances, though. I can't wait for the palletized C containers. I know ABX owns the patent to the C container system but I can't imagine DHL (or Astar) is going to allow a SLC like situation to happen more than once.

That's the kind of thing that make the "big bang" a frightening scenario.

Steam

 

[FreightNazi]

Not meant to be a flame in any way, but my friends at ABX have told me ABX has experienced problems from time to time closing the main cargo door on one of the new 767SFs. They told me that when it is empty it works fine, but when fully loaded the door binds and will not close properly. I heard that they had to send a DC-8 to CVG to rescue the 767 that was scheduled to BFI. Is this a systemic problem with the 767SF or just a fluke?

 

[abexpilot]

I was talking to a 767 stds. guy a few days ago and he said that the problem was worked out.

 

[FreightNazi]

That's good to hear. Any idea what the problem was?

 

[abexpilot]

Not really sure. Logic would suggest a problem with the fuselage "torqueing" (spelling?) when the aircraft was loaded/fueled in particular combinations.