Last MidEx 717 flight

[Jetjockey]

Keep in Mind that the CBA RAH is currently under was agreed to in 2003, and expired in 2007. At the time the the Pay rates were average for a regional. Now, they are sub par considering the equipment we fly. God willing that will change in our next contract, with the help of All 5 airlines at the table!! Things will change they will just take a little time!!!!

I'm pretty sure your going to have to rely on your union negotiators to bargain a new agreement. God is fairly busy these days.

 

[CitationLover]

Keep in Mind that the CBA RAH is currently under was agreed to in 2003, and expired in 2007. At the time the the Pay rates were average for a regional. Now, they are sub par considering the equipment we fly. God willing that will change in our next contract, with the help of All 5 airlines at the table!! Things will change they will just take a little time!!!!

Didn't need God's help. You idiots had Midex's 99seat rates and chose to ignore it or demand them for the 190.

 

[Airline Driver]

Didn't need God's help. You idiots had Midex's 99seat rates and chose to ignore it or demand them for the 190.

You are one bitter human being and are so blinded by negativity that your words are hollow!!!!

All fighting aside, Have you thought of taking a picture of your Chevy and using it as your avatar?

 

[Airline Driver]

I'm pretty sure your going to have to rely on your union negotiators to bargain a new agreement. God is fairly busy these days.

That he is, but a little luck or Devinne intervention from time to time sure does help!!

 

[dougdrvr]

We are flying said aircraft too cheap. What happen to Midwest has nothing to do with our payrates. It has everything to do with economics, fuel runup, and a credit crunch. What happen to Midwest was pure Capitalism and Business.

As far as our CBA and pay rates that is something that can and will be improved upon. It will be done by 3000 RAH pilots and our company. Not you.

The HE11 it doesn't! For the last time, Midwest did not go out of business!!!!!!! It's credit was never put in the crunch that Frontier was. It never filed chapter 11. When the 170s first showed up, there was a definate plan to transfer them on the Midwest certificate and start pilot training , IF we would accept the RAH payrates. There was NO negotiation for payrates for a new aircraft as is spelled out in the Midwest pilot contract. It was take the RAH rates or else and in addition, $hit can all our work rules. So isn't it ironic that the reverend has put an airplane on YOUR certificate that you don't have a payrate for (100 seats). You can't see that this is all about keeping your rates ,and even more important, your work rules where they are?

 

[maxblast72]

The HE11 it doesn't! For the last time, Midwest did not go out of business!!!!!!! It's credit was never put in the crunch that Frontier was. It never filed chapter 11.

Didn't Midwest Airlines lose over $400 million in 2008 due to high fuel prices, weak economy towards the end of the year, and increased competition from Airtran. Airtran's CEO knew that over 50% of Midwest's revenue originated from 5 major markets and those were the first markets that Airtran loaded up on in 2008. While Midwest never officially entered bankruptcy procedings, do you really think TPG/Northwest were going to continue to pump boatloads of money into the operation forever with no return of investment in sight?

It seems like your anger is misguided. It should be with Tim Hoeksma and his inability to protect the hub or with opportunist airlines like Airtran and Southwest that attack weaker airlines like Midwest.

 

[ms_chq]

Didn't need God's help. You idiots had Midex's 99seat rates and chose to ignore it or demand them for the 190.

How did you suppose to have the 99 rates you have in your regional jet be on the e190 pay scale for RAH?

You still haven't answered my question.

When did you guys voted for a strike vote?

What is your current CAPT/FO pay?

 

[MCDU]

If the RAH career killer pilots want to do the right thing: DOH for all Midex guys whose jobs you took with no bump and no flush. In the long run its the right thing and its morally right. Thats how real unions would work.

M

 

[RobCat]

The HE11 it doesn't! For the last time, Midwest did not go out of business!!!!!!! It's credit was never put in the crunch that Frontier was. It never filed chapter 11. When the 170s first showed up, there was a definate plan to transfer them on the Midwest certificate and start pilot training , IF we would accept the RAH payrates. There was NO negotiation for payrates for a new aircraft as is spelled out in the Midwest pilot contract. It was take the RAH rates or else and in addition, $hit can all our work rules. So isn't it ironic that the reverend has put an airplane on YOUR certificate that you don't have a payrate for (100 seats). You can't see that this is all about keeping your rates ,and even more important, your work rules where they are?

Wasn't Midwest suppose to replace the MD's with Airbus, and or Boeing 737's? Didn't Skyway have orders for E140's? Why did none of the above happen? Why did Boeing pull those remaining 717's. What payments were not being paid, and the ones that were who was paying them? Whats done is done. Its over now lets move on.

 

[CitationLover]

Didn't Midwest Airlines lose over $400 million in 2008 due to high fuel prices, weak economy towards the end of the year, and increased competition from Airtran. Airtran's CEO knew that over 50% of Midwest's revenue originated from 5 major markets and those were the first markets that Airtran loaded up on in 2008. While Midwest never officially entered bankruptcy procedings, do you really think TPG/Northwest were going to continue to pump boatloads of money into the operation forever with no return of investment in sight?

It seems like your anger is misguided. It should be with Tim Hoeksma and his inability to protect the hub or with opportunist airlines like Airtran and Southwest that attack weaker airlines like Midwest.

Midwest lost money because that's what TPG wanted it to do. It was part of a corporate schill that allowed Delta and NWA to eliminate it from the market place. Their "paper" losses didn't stop them from spending wads of cash on slash and burn tactics managers and such. It was always excuses from Hoeksema, who was even quoted as saying we'd be making money at $113/bbl oil, but when asked about it when it went to $30 suddenly had new excuses.

They gave away the 717's because they knew they could fly the 190's for the Republic rates. If not, why did Hoeksema ask for EXACTLY those rates to begin with while the VP-DO was telling people in recurrent that a lot of 190's would come our way if we signed? This was all done by DESIGN, not by a reaction to the market.