Last MidEx 717 flight

[Jetjockey]

Keep in Mind that the CBA RAH is currently under was agreed to in 2003, and expired in 2007. At the time the the Pay rates were average for a regional. Now, they are sub par considering the equipment we fly. God willing that will change in our next contract, with the help of All 5 airlines at the table!! Things will change they will just take a little time!!!!

I'm pretty sure your going to have to rely on your union negotiators to bargain a new agreement. God is fairly busy these days.

 

[CitationLover]

Keep in Mind that the CBA RAH is currently under was agreed to in 2003, and expired in 2007. At the time the the Pay rates were average for a regional. Now, they are sub par considering the equipment we fly. God willing that will change in our next contract, with the help of All 5 airlines at the table!! Things will change they will just take a little time!!!!

Didn't need God's help. You idiots had Midex's 99seat rates and chose to ignore it or demand them for the 190.

 

[Airline Driver]

Didn't need God's help. You idiots had Midex's 99seat rates and chose to ignore it or demand them for the 190.

You are one bitter human being and are so blinded by negativity that your words are hollow!!!!

All fighting aside, Have you thought of taking a picture of your Chevy and using it as your avatar?

 

[Airline Driver]

I'm pretty sure your going to have to rely on your union negotiators to bargain a new agreement. God is fairly busy these days.

That he is, but a little luck or Devinne intervention from time to time sure does help!!

 

[dougdrvr]

We are flying said aircraft too cheap. What happen to Midwest has nothing to do with our payrates. It has everything to do with economics, fuel runup, and a credit crunch. What happen to Midwest was pure Capitalism and Business.

As far as our CBA and pay rates that is something that can and will be improved upon. It will be done by 3000 RAH pilots and our company. Not you.

The HE11 it doesn't! For the last time, Midwest did not go out of business!!!!!!! It's credit was never put in the crunch that Frontier was. It never filed chapter 11. When the 170s first showed up, there was a definate plan to transfer them on the Midwest certificate and start pilot training , IF we would accept the RAH payrates. There was NO negotiation for payrates for a new aircraft as is spelled out in the Midwest pilot contract. It was take the RAH rates or else and in addition, $hit can all our work rules. So isn't it ironic that the reverend has put an airplane on YOUR certificate that you don't have a payrate for (100 seats). You can't see that this is all about keeping your rates ,and even more important, your work rules where they are?

 

[maxblast72]

The HE11 it doesn't! For the last time, Midwest did not go out of business!!!!!!! It's credit was never put in the crunch that Frontier was. It never filed chapter 11.

Didn't Midwest Airlines lose over $400 million in 2008 due to high fuel prices, weak economy towards the end of the year, and increased competition from Airtran. Airtran's CEO knew that over 50% of Midwest's revenue originated from 5 major markets and those were the first markets that Airtran loaded up on in 2008. While Midwest never officially entered bankruptcy procedings, do you really think TPG/Northwest were going to continue to pump boatloads of money into the operation forever with no return of investment in sight?

It seems like your anger is misguided. It should be with Tim Hoeksma and his inability to protect the hub or with opportunist airlines like Airtran and Southwest that attack weaker airlines like Midwest.

 

[ms_chq]

Didn't need God's help. You idiots had Midex's 99seat rates and chose to ignore it or demand them for the 190.

How did you suppose to have the 99 rates you have in your regional jet be on the e190 pay scale for RAH?

You still haven't answered my question.

When did you guys voted for a strike vote?

What is your current CAPT/FO pay?

 

[MCDU]

If the RAH career killer pilots want to do the right thing: DOH for all Midex guys whose jobs you took with no bump and no flush. In the long run its the right thing and its morally right. Thats how real unions would work.

M

 

[RobCat]

The HE11 it doesn't! For the last time, Midwest did not go out of business!!!!!!! It's credit was never put in the crunch that Frontier was. It never filed chapter 11. When the 170s first showed up, there was a definate plan to transfer them on the Midwest certificate and start pilot training , IF we would accept the RAH payrates. There was NO negotiation for payrates for a new aircraft as is spelled out in the Midwest pilot contract. It was take the RAH rates or else and in addition, $hit can all our work rules. So isn't it ironic that the reverend has put an airplane on YOUR certificate that you don't have a payrate for (100 seats). You can't see that this is all about keeping your rates ,and even more important, your work rules where they are?

Wasn't Midwest suppose to replace the MD's with Airbus, and or Boeing 737's? Didn't Skyway have orders for E140's? Why did none of the above happen? Why did Boeing pull those remaining 717's. What payments were not being paid, and the ones that were who was paying them? Whats done is done. Its over now lets move on.

 

[CitationLover]

Didn't Midwest Airlines lose over $400 million in 2008 due to high fuel prices, weak economy towards the end of the year, and increased competition from Airtran. Airtran's CEO knew that over 50% of Midwest's revenue originated from 5 major markets and those were the first markets that Airtran loaded up on in 2008. While Midwest never officially entered bankruptcy procedings, do you really think TPG/Northwest were going to continue to pump boatloads of money into the operation forever with no return of investment in sight?

It seems like your anger is misguided. It should be with Tim Hoeksma and his inability to protect the hub or with opportunist airlines like Airtran and Southwest that attack weaker airlines like Midwest.

Midwest lost money because that's what TPG wanted it to do. It was part of a corporate schill that allowed Delta and NWA to eliminate it from the market place. Their "paper" losses didn't stop them from spending wads of cash on slash and burn tactics managers and such. It was always excuses from Hoeksema, who was even quoted as saying we'd be making money at $113/bbl oil, but when asked about it when it went to $30 suddenly had new excuses.

They gave away the 717's because they knew they could fly the 190's for the Republic rates. If not, why did Hoeksema ask for EXACTLY those rates to begin with while the VP-DO was telling people in recurrent that a lot of 190's would come our way if we signed? This was all done by DESIGN, not by a reaction to the market.

 

[CitationLover]

You are one bitter human being and are so blinded by negativity that your words are hollow!!!!

All fighting aside, Have you thought of taking a picture of your Chevy and using it as your avatar?

You still refuse to answer the question. Under the republic umbrella the IBT had Midwest's payrates under their current CBA. Why would they let them expire and use their own 190 rates which are a lot less? It just shows how much they jump when the reverend asks them to.

 

[CitationLover]

How did you suppose to have the 99 rates you have in your regional jet be on the e190 pay scale for RAH?

You still haven't answered my question.

When did you guys voted for a strike vote?

What is your current CAPT/FO pay?

My regional jet? WTF are you talking about? Midwest had one set of payrates for all their narrowbody's. These pay rates were based on 60seat DC-9's. They blow away RAH's 99 seat rates. RAH's IBT simply allowed these rates to leave the property in the name of keeping the 190 on the RAH certificate and NOT EVEN FIGHT FOR THEM. Pathetic.

 

[rchcfi]

MILWAUKEE -- Passengers, pilots and flight attendants are calling it the end of an era. The big wide Midwest seated planes are gone after Monday, as well as Midwest crews."It's very sad," Midwest Airlines pilot Capt. Bryan Jandorf said.Jandorf is one of 390 Midwest pilots who are marking the end of Midwest Boeing 717 operations on Monday night. It means Midwest pilots and flight attendants will now negotiate through their unions for jobs with Republic Airlines, which took over Midwest a few months ago."It's been a huge part of everyone's life. It's definitely been more than a job. My life for the past 23years has been inextricably intertwined with Midwest Airlines," Landorf said.It means travelers will still see Midwest in plain sight. But some are already saying they've noticed a difference."I moved here in 1990, and they were going strong then, flew out west to Los Angeles, I would swear by Midwest, but they're gone," Midwest passenger Bill Fisher said."I'd be willing to pay a little bit more for the wider seat and even if I had to have a little bit less something else. That was just so comfortable. That's why I chose to fly Midwest, but now it's like any other airline," Midwest passenger Dawn Ferch said.Midwest said, yes, there have been some changes but Milwaukee's hometown brand isn't going anywhere."The behind the scenes of the operation of the aircraft changes, but to the customer, it's a Midwest Airlines aircraft, it's a Midwest flight, and they can expect the same service they're always had," said Jim Reichart of Midwest Airlines.

The inherent problem is that BB and his cronies are treating YX pax like the Orbitz shopping I wanna drive 120 miles to save $5 crowd. Unfortunately, or fortunately however you look at it, those folks are educated and know that it is no longer Midwest. I give 'em 12 months tops!

 

[f9cougar]

sad day . You cant sell Kmart cola out of the Coke machine.

 

[ms_chq]

My regional jet? WTF are you talking about? Midwest had one set of payrates for all their narrowbody's. These pay rates were based on 60seat DC-9's. They blow away RAH's 99 seat rates. RAH's IBT simply allowed these rates to leave the property in the name of keeping the 190 on the RAH certificate and NOT EVEN FIGHT FOR THEM. Pathetic.

Yes, your regional jet.

I just checked your payrates on APC. They blow away the pay scale of RAH which I would agree. But your-Midwest payrates for a B717 still IS low. It's either you think you are an overpaid Former Midwest Pilot or you just have no clue. Your former payrates at MIDWEST does not cut it old man! . . You should have been and shoudl be flying that plane-B717/MD80 for 3x what's on APC. PATHETIC, you are right!

Guess, you can't provide the answer about the strike vote can you. Cause, there weren't any! You are just a hyprocite! You guys claim that RAH is a substandard crew and other name you called them. Yet, you are wanting to work for them. You must be then a substandard old man pilot. Hyprocite.

Just quit, and don't go fly for them at all. Don't think about working for RAH since you are a bitter hyprocitical old man. Make sure if you start to "pressume" what happen to your former airline based it on FACTS and not "this is what happen, this had happen, and this how they did it". No facts, no credibilty.

Just quit.

 

[CitationLover]

Yes, your regional jet.

I just checked your payrates on APC. They blow away the pay scale of RAH which I would agree. But your-Midwest payrates for a B717 still IS low. It's either you think you are an overpaid Former Midwest Pilot or you just have no clue. Your former payrates at MIDWEST does not cut it old man! . . You should have been and shoudl be flying that plane-B717/MD80 for 3x what's on APC. PATHETIC, you are right!

Guess, you can't provide the answer about the strike vote can you. Cause, there weren't any! You are just a hyprocite! You guys claim that RAH is a substandard crew and other name you called them. Yet, you are wanting to work for them. You must be then a substandard old man pilot. Hyprocite.

Just quit, and don't go fly for them at all. Don't think about working for RAH since you are a bitter hyprocitical old man. Make sure if you start to "pressume" what happen to your former airline based it on FACTS and not "this is what happen, this had happen, and this how they did it". No facts, no credibilty.

Just quit.

Plz show me someone flying the 717 for 3x what we did?

And the strike vote was in the works, as again we have to be released which we were not.

But will chalk you up as flamebait. Who do you fly a 747-400 for?

 

[Airline Driver]

You still refuse to answer the question. Under the republic umbrella the IBT had Midwest's payrates under their current CBA. Why would they let them expire and use their own 190 rates which are a lot less? It just shows how much they jump when the reverend asks them to.

:erm: It's tough to answerer a question when you never asked me a question in the first place! Go back and read your posts to me. Your Pay rate question that your referring to here should be self explanatory and you answered your own question. We did not let them expire, we are operating on a different contract with different pay rates. Sure We want higher pay rates, who doesn't, but you just can't snap your fingers and have new pay rates automatically implemented with out an LOA. Keep in mind we don't have specific 190 rates, our rates are based on seat configuration which needs to be changed. Lots of things need to be changed in our contract.

Why is the company using the lower rates than the Midex rates, Plain and simple, Cost!!!! Believe me we are working on a better contract, but things like that take time. I understand and can sympathies with your bitterness and hostility twards RAH, because I have been there too at one point in my career.

 

[ms_chq]

Plz show me someone flying the 717 for 3x what we did?

And the strike vote was in the works, as again we have to be released which we were not.

But will chalk you up as flamebait. Who do you fly a 747-400 for?

Well, why don't you show that you can lead by example. You keep professing the cheap labor cost while you are a CHEAP labor cost yourself. A pathetic pay rate you have. Show me . . .

Spoken like a true idiot pilot. You don't have to be released to ask for a strike vote. Your "perception", and "mentality" again that it was in the works . . . Doesn't cut it. . .What a of load crap. You are just full of excuses old man. Very pathetic. Flamebait. Not at all. Actually, you have been flaming for quite sometime from I have been reading. Baseless. . and NO facts to back up it.

 

[Axel]

Silly rabbit! Don't you know anything? It was not up to YX to strike illegally, it was up to RAH to strike illegally.

 

[Propsync]

Time to move on folks. What's done is done. All of the finger pointing is wrong and pilots blaming pilots is of no use. No one is immune, widgets. Anyone, anywhere, anytime.