Lack of professionalism (an example)

[Tristar]

[FONT=&quot]An open note to the Shuttle America crew arriving KATL gate B20 on May 29th:[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Maybe you don't really care about how the airline pilot profession is perceived - that certainly appears to be the case. Even if you don't respect yourself, please quit embarrassing the rest of us.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]I really am not sure what part of having newspapers all over the glareshield as you taxied into the gate seemed like a good idea: Maybe you want the traveling public to know you are well informed. Perhaps you are keeping a canary in the cockpit and are using it as a liner. Maybe you are just too lazy to put it away. I don't know and frankly, I don't give a damn.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]When you do things like this, YOU LOOK LIKE CLOWNS!!! It was not unnoticed (and commented on) by several passengers sitting in the food court next to the gate (and I can assure you, they weren't impressed by your devotion to current events). I've read dozens upon dozens of posts by regional pilots bemoaning the way they are perceived by both the traveling public and fellow aviators. No one else will respect you if you don't present a professional image. Also, I'm guessing if an FAA inspector had been passing by, he would have been less than impressed as well - but hey, maybe you really don't value the job that much.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]It’s not like we’re debating wearing your i-Pod in the terminal – this tells everyone who looks at your aircraft, “I really don’t pay attention to the aircraft while I’m flying – I just kick back and read the paper, the autopilot will get us there.” Don’t bother explaining workload in cruise to me, I know – this was on the glareshield taxiing into the gate.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]If you're a Shuttle America pilot and it wasn't you, please do what you can to shame your co-workers into displaying a bit more professionalism.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Rant temporarily suspended . . .[/FONT]

 

[illtake2]

Shut up, I hate people like you! was it a newspaper or a chart? No I don't work for Shuttle. You are trying to make a political point since it looks like you work for Delta and you are pissed because they are flying a plane that you wish you didn't give up in scope.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

How does it even begin to look like he works for Delta other than the 757- and that's not coupled with the 767. Not a Deltoid.

I'd be pissed too if someone pulled into the gate with newspapers all over the glareshield. They look quite a bit different from charts.

 

[mynameisjim]

Stop outsourcing to the lowest bidder

 

[flyboyike]

I guess life is so good, the newspapers on the glareshield are worth all this attention.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Did they at least have a New York Times or was it all McPaper?

 

[waka]

Did they at least have a New York Times or was it all McPaper?

Probably the McPaper as they are usually free from hotels And, you know....we pilots jump of "free" at every opportunity!

 

[rustypigeon]

[FONT=&quot]this tells everyone who looks at your aircraft, “I really don’t pay attention to the aircraft while I’m flying – I just kick back and read the paper, the autopilot will get us there.”[/FONT]

Too bad the autopilot could not take this Shuttle America crew to the correct airport. They landed at the wrong airport 20 miles away from the intended destination.

http://www.redorbit.com/news/oddities/42803/us_airways_flight_lands_at_wrong_airport/index.html

 

[RobCat]

[FONT=&quot]An open note to the Shuttle America crew arriving KATL gate B20 on May 29th:[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Maybe you don't really care about how the airline pilot profession is perceived - that certainly appears to be the case. Even if you don't respect yourself, please quit embarrassing the rest of us.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]I really am not sure what part of having newspapers all over the glareshield as you taxied into the gate seemed like a good idea: Maybe you want the traveling public to know you are well informed. Perhaps you are keeping a canary in the cockpit and are using it as a liner. Maybe you are just too lazy to put it away. I don't know and frankly, I don't give a damn.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]When you do things like this, YOU LOOK LIKE CLOWNS!!! It was not unnoticed (and commented on) by several passengers sitting in the food court next to the gate (and I can assure you, they weren't impressed by your devotion to current events). I've read dozens upon dozens of posts by regional pilots bemoaning the way they are perceived by both the traveling public and fellow aviators. No one else will respect you if you don't present a professional image. Also, I'm guessing if an FAA inspector had been passing by, he would have been less than impressed as well - but hey, maybe you really don't value the job that much.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]It’s not like we’re debating wearing your i-Pod in the terminal – this tells everyone who looks at your aircraft, “I really don’t pay attention to the aircraft while I’m flying – I just kick back and read the paper, the autopilot will get us there.” Don’t bother explaining workload in cruise to me, I know – this was on the glareshield taxiing into the gate.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]If you're a Shuttle America pilot and it wasn't you, please do what you can to shame your co-workers into displaying a bit more professionalism.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Rant temporarily suspended . . .[/FONT]

Although this is hard to believe but if this did happen I think the industry is now informed. Did SA crew taxi in that way, or did they try to block the sun out of the cockpit once the a/c was parked and unloaded. When you seen this did you MAN UP and walk to the gate to let the crew know how visable it was and ask them to remove it. Clearly its not that far from where you were seated.

I do not condone what you described and I'm sure the crew did not mean to offend anyone or appear to be unprofessional. Maybe you should of politely made them aware at the time you saw this instead of waiting to post this using the airline name and crew. at least then the crew knows of there actions. Chances are they may not look at this site.

Your actions, and how you handled the situation are just as if not more Unprofessional than the actions of that shuttle america crew.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

You are trying to make a political point since it looks like you work for Delta and you are pissed because they are flying a plane that you wish you didn't give up in scope.

I don't believe he mentioned who he worked for at all. But he did bring to light a very simple and sad truth.

There is a growing cadre of Regional Airline pilots who look, act and dress like they just left a keg party in college.

Sorry cool dudes and gals... Backpacks and Dr. Martins are hip when you're walking around campus... but not when you're a professional pilot at work.

 

[Anonymous2]

When I saw the topic of this thread, I was thinking of someone wearing their pants down at their knees, or swearing in public or some other crazy action. I didn't think it would be some petty thing like this. Are you going to look at, and criticize what you see in the flight deck on every plane you see taxiing in from now on?

 

[wolfpackpilot]

Lack of Professionalism II (pictures don't lie)


Here we have FO Cheeseburger (I don't know her name, but being at least 50 pounds over weight, she obviously likes McDonalds).

And yes, there we have the newspaper in the backpack!

http://picture.vzw.com/mi/400645671...345,345&outquality=56&ext=.jpg&border=2,0,0,0


Here we have the professional pilot hanging her very large butt off the side of a chair waiting for her Saab to arrive. It was at this point that I began to get nervous that she might be my pilot.

http://picture.vzw.com/mi/400645159...345,345&outquality=56&ext=.jpg&border=2,0,0,0


FO Cheeseburger made two landings that day from Hilton Head to Atlanta. The first probably broke something and the second one slightly less violent.

I hate that I did not take a picture of her text messaging someone on her phone in the cockpit entrance as we got off the plane, but I was on the phone with my father in-law (AA 737-800 Captain) telling him how much I hated flying regional airlines.

When you bitch and moan about passengers paying $40 a ticket, don't get pissed when we (passengers) call you out for looking like slobs...

 

[WalterSobchak]

Pilots are funny.

 

[mynameisjim]

Lack of Professionalism II (pictures don't lie)


Here we have FO Cheeseburger (I don't know her name, but being at least 50 pounds over weight, she obviously likes McDonalds).

Links don't work

 

[Nindiri]

I hate that I did not take a picture of her text messaging someone on her phone in the cockpit entrance as we got off the plane, but I was on the phone with my father in-law (AA 737-800 Captain) telling him how much I hated flying regional airlines.

I can't tell you how happy I am to know that your father in-law is an AA 737-800 Captain. It was thoughtful of you to share that important bit of knowledge with us.

 

[Grey Ghost]

Why are there so many Geeks on this website?

 

[Aerosurfer]

Too bad the autopilot could not take this Shuttle America crew to the correct airport. They landed at the wrong airport 20 miles away from the intended destination.

http://www.redorbit.com/news/oddities/42803/us_airways_flight_lands_at_wrong_airport/index.html

Hi there..... Welcome to 5 years ago, in fact this was a previous version of Shuttle America, not the current one. But thanks for playing!

In fact I believe I over time more Mainliners have landed at the wrong fields than Rjs.....

http://www.thirdamendment.com/wrongway.html

 

[Captain Morgan]

I don't work for Shuttle America but one of the companies under the RAH umbrella. I too have noticed not only at our own airline but most across the board, many people that take no pride in the profession or themselves. I've recently been on a few trips where walking through the terminal, I've wanted to run away from my crewmembers because of the scenes that were demonstrated. I take comfort in the thought that our younger generations all act this way, no matter what profession they're in. All we can do is individually dress for success and act the part. This will contrast the people that don't and hopefully they'll get the hint, otherwise I'd just leave it up to the pilot management to feret them out on their own. Remember even if they dress sloppy, they're still our brothers and sisters.

 

[Tristar]

Shut up, I hate people like you! was it a newspaper or a chart? No I don't work for Shuttle. You are trying to make a political point since it looks like you work for Delta and you are pissed because they are flying a plane that you wish you didn't give up in scope.

You hate people like me - that would be people who expect (alleged) professionals to look and act professionally?

It was a newspaper. I'm not an idiot, and I have yet to see a chart covered in black and white news print, with headlines, color photos, and divided up into different sections. Yeah, based on 40+ years of living and 20+ years of professional flying, I'm pretty sure I can differentiate between a newspaper and a chart.

I don't work for Delta, and if you'd bothered to research my posts I've castigated mainline groups idiotic scope clauses. Forgive me for caring about my profession and your job (note that I did not say our profession, as you obviously don't give a darn).

 

[Hugh Johnson]

Too bad the autopilot could not take this Shuttle America crew to the correct airport. They landed at the wrong airport 20 miles away from the intended destination.

http://www.redorbit.com/news/oddities/42803/us_airways_flight_lands_at_wrong_airport/index.html

Jeez, nice pull of a five year old article. Loser.

 

[Metro752]

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Good post Tristar. These clowns make us look bad, and they don't even know it.

The biggest problem with the EJET crowd at Republix is half of them think they are "mainline." After all they will be flying the E190 at Midex, and you will be able to buy a ticket on those flights through Delta North's website.

 

[DX Rick]

You hate people like me - that would be people who expect (alleged) professionals to look and act professionally?

It was a newspaper. I'm not an idiot, and I have yet to see a chart covered in black and white news print, with headlines, color photos, and divided up into different sections. Yeah, based on 40+ years of living and 20+ years of professional flying, I'm pretty sure I can differentiate between a newspaper and a chart.

I don't work for Delta, and if you'd bothered to research my posts I've castigated mainline groups idiotic scope clauses. Forgive me for caring about my profession and your job (note that I did not say our profession, as you obviously don't give a darn).

Unemployed Porn Star

How professional can an unemployed porn star be?

I was in LGA and saw an un-named MD-80 on the taxiway, FO with the window wide open as he sat with his massive train engineer hat on. Just like this one. http://www.millerhats.com/productimages/338.jpg
Intentionally leaning towards the window so we could all see him. Well, so could the passengers.

It goes both ways. Just like regional and major airline pilots have both landed at the wrong airport and on taxiways.
You're tired of the way regional pilots act? Quit agreeing to give away mainline flying to the regionals then.

 

[CaptBiff]

Hummm......How many times have the majors landed at the wrong airport in south Florida? Delta did, as well as AA, Pan Am and Eastern. Didn't an AA pilot get in trouble with the FAA for making a cell phone call to his company about a fellow AA pilot that was taxiing to slow, while he himself was manipulating the controls?

What airline was it that landed at the wrong airport and had the pax lower their window shades???????? Oh shucks it was NWA!!!

So that leaves ASA with worst of everything that anybody cares about (on-time, etc)
and oh mesa sucks.

 

[crj567]

Newspapers may be embarrassing, but damn, the nest time I see a pilot walking down the hall and his/her rollaboard has "blinkie" lights on the wheels-it is gonna be time for the "pain train!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsqjM9AEqlU

Just like :50

-It is gonna be sweet!
-TTT

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

Newspapers may be embarrassing, but damn, the nest time I see a pilot walking down the hall and his/her rollaboard has "blinkie" lights on the wheels-it is gonna be time for the "pain train!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsqjM9AEqlU

Just like :50

-It is gonna be sweet!
-TTT

We need "Terrible Tate" to help us with our professionalism! Awesome vid!

 

[Tristar]

Although this is hard to believe but if this did happen I think the industry is now informed. Did SA crew taxi in that way, or did they try to block the sun out of the cockpit once the a/c was parked and unloaded. When you seen this did you MAN UP and walk to the gate to let the crew know how visable it was and ask them to remove it. Clearly its not that far from where you were seated.

They taxied in that way. I wouldn't have cared it they had put them up after block in. I was in the middle of eating - I was not going to leave my bags and/or food unattended to go have the discussion with them (call me crazy). Do you take comfort in your veiled insult on me ("man up")? If I wanted to be a real a-hole, I could have easily posted the aircraft number, flight number, origination, and block in time. I chose not to do so as I do not want to see one crew singled out by management or the FAA. That misses the point.

I do not condone what you described and I'm sure the crew did not mean to offend anyone or appear to be unprofessional. Maybe you should of politely made them aware at the time you saw this instead of waiting to post this using the airline name and crew. at least then the crew knows of there actions. Chances are they may not look at this site.

Maybe not, but I really did not have the opportunity to do so at the time. I don't know how big the seniority list is at SA/Republic, but I know things got around pretty quickly at a 1000+ pilot carrier. Additionally, I want everyone (self included, major pilots included, ect.) to think seriously about the fact that how we present ourselves very much influences how we are perceived.

Your actions, and how you handled the situation are just as if not more Unprofessional than the actions of that shuttle america crew.

I think I've already addressed this one. I was alone - no one on my crew to watch my bags/eats - I'm not leaving either alone in KATL (or anywhere else for that matter). I would argue that posting real, specific identifying information would be more unprofessional. We can argue this all day long. I could have called management or the FAA, but only a real d-bag would do something like that (I'm not that). I'm actually a pretty laid back person, but this was so blatantly unprofessional and (I believe) unethical that I felt compelled to shout it from the rooftops as it were. Unethical??? Do a google on NW255 - that's really the kind of thing we're talking about here. You either decide to be a professional and act accordingly, or you are a menace.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

He needs to work in most of our companies' corp offices.

"I'll help you to a special slice of Terry Tate's pain cake!"

 

[DX Rick]

I think I've already addressed this one. I was alone - no one on my crew to watch my bags/eats - I'm not leaving either alone in KATL (or anywhere else for that matter). I would argue that posting real, specific identifying information would be more unprofessional. We can argue this all day long. I could have called management or the FAA, but only a real d-bag would do something like that (I'm not that). I'm actually a pretty laid back person, but this was so blatantly unprofessional and (I believe) unethical that I felt compelled to shout it from the rooftops as it were. Unethical??? Do a google on NW255 - that's really the kind of thing we're talking about here. You either decide to be a professional and act accordingly, or you are a menace.

Unprofessional? How about UNSAFE if they were REALLY taxing in with newspapers covering the windows. I doubt it happened, no one is THAT stupid.
I call BS. If you were that upset, you would have taken your bags with you. You would have posted a flight number, date, time and tail number. It's done several times on FI.com...when it REALLY happens.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

If it were BS he would have made up a much funnier story... like "these toolbags had truck balls hanging from the mag compass" or "the FO had in his ipod headphones under his headset as they pulled in"

 

[woog315]

This thread illustrates reason #34298 that I want nothing to do with the airlines and their retarded politics. Christ, guys.