Lack of professionalism (an example)

[Metro752]

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Good post Tristar. These clowns make us look bad, and they don't even know it.

The biggest problem with the EJET crowd at Republix is half of them think they are "mainline." After all they will be flying the E190 at Midex, and you will be able to buy a ticket on those flights through Delta North's website.

 

[DX Rick]

You hate people like me - that would be people who expect (alleged) professionals to look and act professionally?

It was a newspaper. I'm not an idiot, and I have yet to see a chart covered in black and white news print, with headlines, color photos, and divided up into different sections. Yeah, based on 40+ years of living and 20+ years of professional flying, I'm pretty sure I can differentiate between a newspaper and a chart.

I don't work for Delta, and if you'd bothered to research my posts I've castigated mainline groups idiotic scope clauses. Forgive me for caring about my profession and your job (note that I did not say our profession, as you obviously don't give a darn).

Unemployed Porn Star

How professional can an unemployed porn star be?

I was in LGA and saw an un-named MD-80 on the taxiway, FO with the window wide open as he sat with his massive train engineer hat on. Just like this one. http://www.millerhats.com/productimages/338.jpg
Intentionally leaning towards the window so we could all see him. Well, so could the passengers.

It goes both ways. Just like regional and major airline pilots have both landed at the wrong airport and on taxiways.
You're tired of the way regional pilots act? Quit agreeing to give away mainline flying to the regionals then.

 

[CaptBiff]

Hummm......How many times have the majors landed at the wrong airport in south Florida? Delta did, as well as AA, Pan Am and Eastern. Didn't an AA pilot get in trouble with the FAA for making a cell phone call to his company about a fellow AA pilot that was taxiing to slow, while he himself was manipulating the controls?

What airline was it that landed at the wrong airport and had the pax lower their window shades???????? Oh shucks it was NWA!!!

So that leaves ASA with worst of everything that anybody cares about (on-time, etc)
and oh mesa sucks.

 

[crj567]

Newspapers may be embarrassing, but damn, the nest time I see a pilot walking down the hall and his/her rollaboard has "blinkie" lights on the wheels-it is gonna be time for the "pain train!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsqjM9AEqlU

Just like :50

-It is gonna be sweet!
-TTT

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

Newspapers may be embarrassing, but damn, the nest time I see a pilot walking down the hall and his/her rollaboard has "blinkie" lights on the wheels-it is gonna be time for the "pain train!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsqjM9AEqlU

Just like :50

-It is gonna be sweet!
-TTT

We need "Terrible Tate" to help us with our professionalism! Awesome vid!

 

[Tristar]

Although this is hard to believe but if this did happen I think the industry is now informed. Did SA crew taxi in that way, or did they try to block the sun out of the cockpit once the a/c was parked and unloaded. When you seen this did you MAN UP and walk to the gate to let the crew know how visable it was and ask them to remove it. Clearly its not that far from where you were seated.

They taxied in that way. I wouldn't have cared it they had put them up after block in. I was in the middle of eating - I was not going to leave my bags and/or food unattended to go have the discussion with them (call me crazy). Do you take comfort in your veiled insult on me ("man up")? If I wanted to be a real a-hole, I could have easily posted the aircraft number, flight number, origination, and block in time. I chose not to do so as I do not want to see one crew singled out by management or the FAA. That misses the point.

I do not condone what you described and I'm sure the crew did not mean to offend anyone or appear to be unprofessional. Maybe you should of politely made them aware at the time you saw this instead of waiting to post this using the airline name and crew. at least then the crew knows of there actions. Chances are they may not look at this site.

Maybe not, but I really did not have the opportunity to do so at the time. I don't know how big the seniority list is at SA/Republic, but I know things got around pretty quickly at a 1000+ pilot carrier. Additionally, I want everyone (self included, major pilots included, ect.) to think seriously about the fact that how we present ourselves very much influences how we are perceived.

Your actions, and how you handled the situation are just as if not more Unprofessional than the actions of that shuttle america crew.

I think I've already addressed this one. I was alone - no one on my crew to watch my bags/eats - I'm not leaving either alone in KATL (or anywhere else for that matter). I would argue that posting real, specific identifying information would be more unprofessional. We can argue this all day long. I could have called management or the FAA, but only a real d-bag would do something like that (I'm not that). I'm actually a pretty laid back person, but this was so blatantly unprofessional and (I believe) unethical that I felt compelled to shout it from the rooftops as it were. Unethical??? Do a google on NW255 - that's really the kind of thing we're talking about here. You either decide to be a professional and act accordingly, or you are a menace.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

He needs to work in most of our companies' corp offices.

"I'll help you to a special slice of Terry Tate's pain cake!"

 

[DX Rick]

I think I've already addressed this one. I was alone - no one on my crew to watch my bags/eats - I'm not leaving either alone in KATL (or anywhere else for that matter). I would argue that posting real, specific identifying information would be more unprofessional. We can argue this all day long. I could have called management or the FAA, but only a real d-bag would do something like that (I'm not that). I'm actually a pretty laid back person, but this was so blatantly unprofessional and (I believe) unethical that I felt compelled to shout it from the rooftops as it were. Unethical??? Do a google on NW255 - that's really the kind of thing we're talking about here. You either decide to be a professional and act accordingly, or you are a menace.

Unprofessional? How about UNSAFE if they were REALLY taxing in with newspapers covering the windows. I doubt it happened, no one is THAT stupid.
I call BS. If you were that upset, you would have taken your bags with you. You would have posted a flight number, date, time and tail number. It's done several times on FI.com...when it REALLY happens.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

If it were BS he would have made up a much funnier story... like "these toolbags had truck balls hanging from the mag compass" or "the FO had in his ipod headphones under his headset as they pulled in"

 

[woog315]

This thread illustrates reason #34298 that I want nothing to do with the airlines and their retarded politics. Christ, guys.

 

[s.o.sJTB]

Unprofessional? How about UNSAFE if they were REALLY taxing in with newspapers covering the windows. I doubt it happened, no one is THAT stupid.
I call BS. If you were that upset, you would have taken your bags with you. You would have posted a flight number, date, time and tail number. It's done several times on FI.com...when it REALLY happens.

Just because others are classless D-Bags, dosent mean it didnt happen. I respect Tristar for bringing it up and not having the FI 12 year old mentality of posting identifying info.

 

[Tristar]

How professional can an unemployed porn star be?

It's a joke. And I take my porn star duties very seriously!

I was in LGA and saw an un-named MD-80 on the taxiway, FO with the window wide open as he sat with his massive train engineer hat on.

No argument here - it happens everywhere. I know I personally have times when I could have been more professional - I'm working on those everytime I (or someone else) points them out.

It goes both ways. Just like regional and major airline pilots have both landed at the wrong airport and on taxiways.
You're tired of the way regional pilots act? Quit agreeing to give away mainline flying to the regionals then.

In the words of Ed McMahon: "YOU ARE CORRECT SIR!!!" (on both accounts).

 

[Tristar]

Unprofessional? How about UNSAFE if they were REALLY taxing in with newspapers covering the windows. I doubt it happened, no one is THAT stupid.

Okay - insult mode switching on:

Windows (windscreens) - the clear things that keep the pressurized air in the airplane and the wind/bugs/geese out.

Glareshield - the (usually) black thing covering the flight instruments fore and aft of the instrument panel. Usually providing some amount of protection from the instruments reflecting off of the windows at night/in low light conditions.

If you read very carefully, you will note that I said the newspapers were laying on the GLARESHIELD, as they taxied in - NOT covering the WINDOWS!!!

If you are going to try and nitpick me, at least bother to re-read the original post. I described exactly what happened, if that bothers you then perhaps you need to examine why.

I could very easily have identified the aircraft number, flight number, originating city, and arrival time. All that would have served to do was get two pilots in the hotseat in front of management and/or the FAA. That's not what I'm about. If I wanted to do that a couple of quick calls on the cell phone could have accomplished the task - but what would that have really accomplished? A couple of pilots with letters in their files and/or time off. I really want everyone here (again, self included) to think seriously about how we present ourselves. I guaran-damn-tee you will not be treated as and respected as a professional if you do not conduct yourself in a manner which demands that respect.

To be perfectly clear - Shuttle America is certainly not the only offender, there are major airline crews who discredit the profession, there are corporate crews who are an embarassment, ect.

As I said before - I'm a very laid back person, but I just could not let this one lie. This is the symptom, it's not the disease (again, if it were, I could have simply called the CP or FAA). I truly want everyone to think about how they are presenting themselves (again, self included).

The reality is "regional airlines" are operating routes and equipment which the "legacies" were only a few years ago. You (we) deserve to be compensated and treated accordingly - that isn't going to happen when pilots are simply regarded as buttom pushing chimps, and you aren't going to move beyond that unless you present yourself as, and demand to be treated as a professional.

Taxiing into the gate with newpapers strewn over the glareshield does not cry out "professional."

 

[Draginass]

Didn't an AA pilot get in trouble with the FAA for making a cell phone call to his company about a fellow AA pilot that was taxiing to slow, while he himself was manipulating the controls?

I heard it was a very high up management pilot that made the cell phone call while taxiing the aircraft.

 

[Draginass]

Taxiing into the gate with newpapers strewn over the glareshield does not cry out "professional."

Neither does working for unprofessional compensation. There's two different stages to "professional." One is looking like one, the other is actually being one.

 

[Tristar]

Which begats which? (Admittedly a rhetorical question, but one which I believe requires consideration)

 

[HA25]

So did they get out of the airplane with backpacks, ipods and Okley shades on? Wouldn't surprise me.. I agree with the OP, the "Regional" guys do no favors for the profession, or themselves.... in the end, you're only going to get paid what people perceive you're worth.

 

[machophil]

you guys want a real unprofessionalism issue to complain about? check out the thread titled "A Public Service/Safety Plea". I'll even link it for you.

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1819527#post1819527

 

[pilothouston123]

I fly a Gulstream for a Billionaire that insists we dress comfortable when we fly. He also doesn't like to draw attention to himself by having "stars and Bars" around his plane. Anyhow, some guys can't deal with flying without a tie and white shirt.
Anyway I set the standard for the crews. No blue demin and must have a collared shirt. Some guy can't deal with that and his wears blue jeans and crappy shoes.
you just gotta deal with what you got infront of your face. change what you can and accecpt what you can't.
I am sure the newspaper on the glareshield was not a big deal on the pilots part but and the FAA might just say you are a dumb for putting them there, I don't see anything in the REGS that prove a violation of anykind there. but preception is reality and if you walk through the terminal with a skakeboard in your uniform, I hope its got a bow on it. cuz if you ride a skate board in the terminal its a federal offence.
I love my job and hate people that think thier sheit don't stink

 

[QOL_is_great:)]

I back the original poster

I'm with the original poster and his message about policing our own. It's always a few that ruin it for the rest. It appears that this crew just doesn't realize how preception is everything. Does Shuttle America now days have an SOP entry against non-flight related material in the cockpit? I know that the clever placing of porn was outlawed back in 2000 or maybe it was late 1999. I guess newspapers will be outlawed next.

It's not hard to act and look professional while on the job. The public will travel no matter what takes place, how you look, but you can bet they talk about what they see. Boy do they and the things I hear and/or am asked from them. Geez, some of you guys need to help a brother out and clean up your act.

I get a kick out of watching the regional pilots stroll around the terminals with unkept (read wrinkled and unpressed) uniforms, shoes unshined or a pair that can not be shined, hair a mess, no undershirt, iPod headphones on and not realizing they are a freaking joke or don't care. I have yet to see that description fit a mainline pilot. Now I'm not talking about a pilot that is overweight and should be on P90X; because that's a whole different story.

I am sure some of you hotshot regional pilots that have taken offense to the original post will step up and say something to my post. It'll only confirm that you are part of the problem and not part of the solution. From day one of wearing a uniform (police dispatcher @ 18), I understood what it meant to present myself and the uniform correctly.

If any of ya have any questions feel free to drop a line or stop me in any terminal I may be in. Oh yeah, I am the guy wearing not only a pressed uniform, but I sport Army colors on a lanyard.

Let's all do our part to keep our professional image and standards high.