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sqwkvfr said:For all of you Bush-haters, check out what the BASTARD did now!
Good post.
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sqwkvfr said:For all of you Bush-haters, check out what the BASTARD did now!
MW44 said:Sounds a lot like the playbook that the Bush team is using.
sqwkvfr said:That's exactly right.....what Hermann Goering is describing is called "leadership."
Supposedly the movie exposes his family's numerous business dealings with Saudi royalty as well as Osama Bin Laden's family! These are the same people who represent the extreme form of Islam known as Wahhabi which regards the Us and Israel as mortal enemies.
Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."
MW44 said:I support our troops but I think the Bush administration duped them into risking their lives over BS reasons.
was lying. The President said specifically in the State of the Union that while the threat is real and serious, it is not yet imminent, but we can not afford to wait until it is, because by the time we have proof of an imminent threat, it is likely too late. Months later, the NYT & others used essentially the same facts (a serious but not at the time imminent threat) & trumpeted it as if it showed that Bush was wrong, which of course it didn't."iminent threat to the Us." Surprise that was all a bunch of BS and the president knew it was BS when he used it in his State of the Union.
I think the spoiled rich kids should go kill each other instead of recruiting brain dead disciples to die for their causes.
and for all you liberal wackos.
Herman Bloom said:You are the worst kind of dogmatic partisan....
You really aren't paying attention, are you? Invaded neighbors twice without provocation, history of producing & using chemical weapons, shot scuds at Israel, megalomaniacal designs on controlling all Mid East oil, abounding connections to terrorists (not the 19 of 9/11, as far as we presently know, but plenty of terror training camps & funding to various groups), paying off families of suicide bombers, attempted assassination of a former US president, and you don't think Iraq was a serious threat to Middle East stability & thus US national interests? Clearly NOT paying attention there, MW.How was the threaet "real and serious in Iraq"
You might, in your grand expertise in foreign policy, argue that, but those who could best examine the data found otherwise. Perhaps the fact that North Korea hasn't invaded anyone in decades, isn't close to oil fields, has China restraining them, lacks any great natural resources to have much wealth, and hasn't actually USED any WMD made them less of a threat in policymakers' estimation. Perhaps there were better avenues to deal with them. Perhaps their turn is coming. Ditto Syria, Iran, etc.and if it was why haven't we invaded N Korea (actually has a nuclear program), syria, Iran, etc. etc? If any country is a "grave threat" I would argue it would be N Korea.
Murder thousands of people inside his own country (again) or attempt to destabilize the Middle East (again).What is Sadaam going to do with some mustard gas half-way around the world?
Exactly, as was articulated by Administration officials repeatedly before the war. It was NEVER "all about WMD only," until the press found something there they could go after, and then all other reasons to go after Iraq were conveniently forgotten.Obviously there was more reason to go in than his WMD program.
Check your numbers, I don't think any of them match what this war has cost in combatant deaths of Americans or civillian deaths of Iraqis, nor total cost. However, consider this: what would it have been worth in, say, 1938, to stop Hitler? At that point he showed propensity to invade neighbors & murder Jews, but the actual numbers weren't all that great. "Was it really worth X and Y and Z to depose Herr Hitler, whose 'invasions' were really minor boarde disputes, and whose 'atrocities' were actually but a few hundred gypsies, Jews, gays, and mentally retarded?"Is it worth losing a thousand or more American citizens, Tens of thousands of Iraqi citizens, and spending over 100 Billion dollars to keep Sadamm from terrorizing his people? I dont know...
I went through the history of your posts on this board, and I've noticed that you have a real problem with only conservative partisans.
You must be one of those liberal wackos.....and the country needs many more of you.
Class warfare is liberal born and bred. Dork.