Kelly: SWA costs too high

[texman]

Thanks General. I know u were supportive of us during the whole integration so thank u. Maybe a SW guy can verify but in their quarterly brief I read mentioned sick calls have cost the company $ Fatigue calls increased as well so my guess is instead of pay cuts there will be some changes to work rules vs hourly rates. I skimmed the article in order to give it back to the owner. Lots of good press about the 800 which is why I brought it up.

We have the lowest fatigue rates in the industry because of our work rules. Fact.

 

[waveflyer]

We have the lowest fatigue rates in the industry because of our work rules. Fact.

Bc of sleep consistency-
I love AM's /PM's

No Am turned PM or PM turned AM

 

[shon7]

I have a good idea, how about charging a fair price for the ticket! Instead of this $69.0 stuff, why not charge a more reasonable price, based on operating cost? I guess we'll see how SW does with some stiff competition and less hedges!

You can only charge more when customers are willing to pay for it.
And all this is pre-cabotage. Once that is approved its a whole new ballgame.

 

[vetrider]

Bc of sleep consistency-
I love AM's /PM's

No Am turned PM or PM turned AM

Damn, that's gotta be nice. We have some whacked out pairings where I am. Where am I, why am I dressed like this....

 

[spitfire1500]

I have a good idea, how about charging a fair price for the ticket! Instead of this $69.0 stuff, why not charge a more reasonable price, based on operating cost? I guess we'll see how SW does with some stiff competition and less hedges!

$69....yea right...everytime I try to get one of those fairs for my family they're sold out...but we can buy a higher priced ticket....then we end up using LCC since they cost less.

 

[pilotyip]

$69....yea right...everytime I try to get one of those fairs for my family they're sold out...but we can buy a higher priced ticket....then we end up using LCC since they cost less.

I read some where that SWA made its profit on filling 2.7 over wise empty seats on each flight with those $59 seats. You will find these prices are the low travel days , Tues, Wed Thurs, Sat, How about Spirit $9.00 fares DTW-MCO, but you find all fares MCO-DTW $200+ for the next few weeks.

 

[humveedriver]

I think pilots determining how much a ticket is "supposed" to cost is about the same as the VP for marketing telling a pilot how much aileron and rudder to use in a strong gusty crosswind. Your kinda like "gee thanks".

 

[Dan Roman]

I think pilots determining how much a ticket is "supposed" to cost is about the same as the VP for marketing telling a pilot how much aileron and rudder to use in a strong gusty crosswind. Your kinda like "gee thanks".

Spot on.

 

[Quimby]

I think pilots determining how much a ticket is "supposed" to cost is about the same as the VP for marketing telling a pilot how much aileron and rudder to use in a strong gusty crosswind. Your kinda like "gee thanks".

+1

well said

 

[SWA Bubba]

Spot on.

Well, to be completely honest, 99% of the stuff that pilots spout advice on in this forum (in the form of gospel, I might add) is crap. If we could actually run an airline (or any business), we'd be doing it instead of this, and making more money.

For the most part, pilots should stick with what they do best: flying airplanes, drinking beer, and hitting on flight attendants. Giving worldly advice in an authoritative manner should be only be done to gullible folks who don't know you, ie. NOT other pilots.

Back to the beer.....

Bubba

 

[Tripower455]

I think if you "listen between the lines", GK just asked for concessions.

That's his usual, pre section 6 tactic.

 

[SWA Bubba]

That's his usual, pre section 6 tactic.

I suspect it's EVERY management's usual, pre section 6 tactic.

Bubba

 

[Fubijaakr]

I suspect it's EVERY management's usual, pre section 6 tactic.

Yep, its right out of the ATA playbook.

 

[slaquer5]

Originally Posted by DeucesWild
I think if you "listen between the lines", GK just asked for concessions.

Gary is way ahead of all you guys. He would like nothing more that for every airline that is now/or soon to be, negotiating a contract to use his statement to give less to there pilots. Then his dirty work is done for him w/ the bar being lowered.

Ironic how so many get joy in GK words ( wanting to see pain on SWA pilots). Most might want to be concerned about what is now going to happen in there own house. GK is playing chess, while you guys are playing checkers.

 

[flythere]

Well, to be completely honest, 99% of the stuff that pilots spout advice on in this forum (in the form of gospel, I might add) is crap. If we could actually run an airline (or any business), we'd be doing it instead of this, and making more money.

For the most part, pilots should stick with what they do best: flying airplanes, drinking beer, and hitting on flight attendants. Giving worldly advice in an authoritative manner should be only be done to gullible folks who don't know you, ie. NOT other pilots.

Back to the beer.....

Bubba

You've got a valid point Sir!!

 

[canyonblue]

I consistantly fly 80-85 hours a month. The last couple months have been closer to 80, and in the late Spring and into Summer I am closer to 90. So, I average about 85 a month. Throw in 4 weeks of vacation.

Bye Bye---General Lee

Well at your top 75/76 rate at 85 hours, that would be $126,480 for the year. A top rate SWA FO would only have to fly 71 hours a month to equal that total. Or they could fly like you and bring home $24,000 more. You can fly your "extra work days" at Deltoid, I'll keep my quality of life at Southwest and throw in my 4 weeks of vacation.

 

[Fubijaakr]

I love the fact that you guys get paid a lot of money. But to constantly harp on how much you make is gauche (Google it!).

Save it for the 3Gs you date. Perhaps they're impressed. We're not.

 

[brokeflyer]

management gets their bonuses though. amazing how that can even be legal

 

[slaquer5]

Save it for the 3Gs you date. Perhaps they're impressed. We're not.

Dont knock it till you try it

 

[FlyinGuy]

I love it when pilots think they know how to run airlines....makes for good comedy!!!

I hate it when pilots continue to wish for hardship on other members of our profession instead of campaigning to raise the bar for all aviators....makes for pathetic discussions!!!