Kelly: SWA costs too high

[AAPilot]

Everyone mocks and laughs at United, but I'm beginning to see a money making machine. In a few years, I think United will be the hot place to be. Especially if we get a good contract, it'll be hard to get an interview. With the upcoming movement and retirements, this will be the place to be. SW and Kelly are starting to feel the heat and they're looking around to make it run better and make more money for investors. But eventually, something has to give and that's usually employee wages. Also, SW will change the guard over time and that, unfortunately, will change SW's culture. In 5 or so years, it'll be a different place. Then again...2012 is coming and the Mayan calendar ends....so it's all over anyways.

Yeah just like the good ole days....Your an F/O, minority, woman, your hired...sweet

 

[wood pecker]

Thanks General. I know u were supportive of us during the whole integration so thank u. Maybe a SW guy can verify but in their quarterly brief I read mentioned sick calls have cost the company $ Fatigue calls increased as well so my guess is instead of pay cuts there will be some changes to work rules vs hourly rates. I skimmed the article in order to give it back to the owner. Lots of good press about the 800 which is why I brought it up.

 

[Whataburger]

I agree with Fubi. Hopefully though you will hold on to those rates until after we try to get them ourselves for our 737s. Fingers crossed!


Bye Bye---General Lee

I posted this on another thread and you "forgot" to "debate" it. I figured you did not see it so:
So GENERAL CHEESE, you claim DAL is shooting for SWA rates, right?

Fact:

Currently in the 737NG,

DAL 12yr FO: $119/hr
DAL 12yr CA: 174/hr

SWA 12yr FO: $147/hr
SWA 12yr CA: $210/hr

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT IF/WHEN DAL ALPO GETS YOUR NEXT CONTRACT THAT DAL FO'S WILL GET A 23% RAISE AND DAL CAPTS WILL GET A 21% RAISE TO GET SWA RATES?

You can even ask the LBB accountant for help!! I bet she's FANTASTIC!!:blush:

 

[flythere]

I have a good idea, how about charging a fair price for the ticket! Instead of this $69.0 stuff, why not charge a more reasonable price, based on operating cost? I guess we'll see how SW does with some stiff competition and less hedges!

 

[waveflyer]

I have a good idea, how about charging a fair price for the ticket! Instead of this $69.0 stuff, why not charge a more reasonable price, based on operating cost? I guess we'll see how SW does with some stiff competition and less hedges!

Game on brethren.:nuts: Not scared of you at all. But keep undercutting us thinking that'll be the magic pill to help you win. I'll take our "overpaid" people against yours any day.
:beer:

 

[texman]

Thanks General. I know u were supportive of us during the whole integration so thank u. Maybe a SW guy can verify but in their quarterly brief I read mentioned sick calls have cost the company $ Fatigue calls increased as well so my guess is instead of pay cuts there will be some changes to work rules vs hourly rates. I skimmed the article in order to give it back to the owner. Lots of good press about the 800 which is why I brought it up.

We have the lowest fatigue rates in the industry because of our work rules. Fact.

 

[waveflyer]

We have the lowest fatigue rates in the industry because of our work rules. Fact.

Bc of sleep consistency-
I love AM's /PM's

No Am turned PM or PM turned AM

 

[shon7]

I have a good idea, how about charging a fair price for the ticket! Instead of this $69.0 stuff, why not charge a more reasonable price, based on operating cost? I guess we'll see how SW does with some stiff competition and less hedges!

You can only charge more when customers are willing to pay for it.
And all this is pre-cabotage. Once that is approved its a whole new ballgame.

 

[vetrider]

Bc of sleep consistency-
I love AM's /PM's

No Am turned PM or PM turned AM

Damn, that's gotta be nice. We have some whacked out pairings where I am. Where am I, why am I dressed like this....

 

[spitfire1500]

I have a good idea, how about charging a fair price for the ticket! Instead of this $69.0 stuff, why not charge a more reasonable price, based on operating cost? I guess we'll see how SW does with some stiff competition and less hedges!

$69....yea right...everytime I try to get one of those fairs for my family they're sold out...but we can buy a higher priced ticket....then we end up using LCC since they cost less.

 

[pilotyip]

$69....yea right...everytime I try to get one of those fairs for my family they're sold out...but we can buy a higher priced ticket....then we end up using LCC since they cost less.

I read some where that SWA made its profit on filling 2.7 over wise empty seats on each flight with those $59 seats. You will find these prices are the low travel days , Tues, Wed Thurs, Sat, How about Spirit $9.00 fares DTW-MCO, but you find all fares MCO-DTW $200+ for the next few weeks.

 

[humveedriver]

I think pilots determining how much a ticket is "supposed" to cost is about the same as the VP for marketing telling a pilot how much aileron and rudder to use in a strong gusty crosswind. Your kinda like "gee thanks".

 

[Dan Roman]

I think pilots determining how much a ticket is "supposed" to cost is about the same as the VP for marketing telling a pilot how much aileron and rudder to use in a strong gusty crosswind. Your kinda like "gee thanks".

Spot on.

 

[Quimby]

I think pilots determining how much a ticket is "supposed" to cost is about the same as the VP for marketing telling a pilot how much aileron and rudder to use in a strong gusty crosswind. Your kinda like "gee thanks".

+1

well said

 

[SWA Bubba]

Spot on.

Well, to be completely honest, 99% of the stuff that pilots spout advice on in this forum (in the form of gospel, I might add) is crap. If we could actually run an airline (or any business), we'd be doing it instead of this, and making more money.

For the most part, pilots should stick with what they do best: flying airplanes, drinking beer, and hitting on flight attendants. Giving worldly advice in an authoritative manner should be only be done to gullible folks who don't know you, ie. NOT other pilots.

Back to the beer.....

Bubba