Just Shredded The Union Card

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<div class="bbWrapper">how&#039;s about a few pics of you in a tube top? enough of the legs already. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">Sorry. That doesn&#039;t fit my <i>boot </i>campaign. You seem to be missing the point...<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes :rolleyes:" data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /> I&#039;m hoping to encourage pilots without a contract to stand tall, dig in their heels, kick up a fuss and give ineffective methods the boot. I&#039;m <i>standing</i> on principle, as I&#039;ve always done, I&#039;m just choosing to illustrate my points in a fun, but thought-provoking manner. It works like this: 1) the avatar makes gets you to pause and look. 2) the text makes you stop and think. OK Learflyer...two...we&#039;re going for two... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><b>Always?</b><br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 16950" data-quote="netjetwife" data-source="post: 1488412" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1488412" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1488412">netjetwife said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> It&#039;s very simple: a good contract leads to motivated employees who are then more productive. Satisfied pilots are the best form of advertising a frac company can have-- for new clients and new employees. It&#039;s no coincidence that most of the pilots wishing to enter the industry are first applying to NJA. They are also leaving other fracs to go to NJ. That all adds up to solid growth.<br /> <br /> Gunfyter, Fisch, and Dime....good posts, guys!<br /> <br /> <b>Let the new year bring new methods. If the old way isn&#039;t working give it the boot....NJW</b> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>If that is the case why do some union companies not grow and go out of business?</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 214" data-quote="pilotyip" data-source="post: 1488664" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1488664" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1488664">pilotyip said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> If that is the case why do some union companies not grow and go out of business? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> For the same reasons non-union companies don&#039;t grow and go out of business: bad business plan, bad management, bad economics.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 214" data-quote="pilotyip" data-source="post: 1488335" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1488335" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1488335">pilotyip said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> How does 1108 lead to growth? <span style="color: blue">This is where my experience is and this is the part of your post that I was responding to.</span> Please no flame intented, how does a union lead to growth? My expereince with marginal privately held union airlines is they go out of business. TransAmerican ALPA 1984 , Zantop Tempsters 747, 1997 </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote> <br /> PY, my answer applied to 1108 specifically, but for an educated guess why others have failed I would suggest it was because of company mismanagement and perhaps market situations beyond a union&#039;s control such as cut-throat competition and high fuel prices. When <i>all </i>pilots view their aviation skills as a fixed cost of doing business with a minimum price attached then perhaps they can work together to pull wages up instead of following each other in a downward spiral....<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /> <br /> <br /> It&#039;s not right to expect professional pilots to work for <i>unskilled-labor wages</i> while management balances the budget the easy way--on the pilotgroup&#039;s back....<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f621.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":mad:" title="Mad :mad:" data-smilie="4"data-shortname=":mad:" /> In every out of business airline the pilots had to fly as if lives depended on them. How much effort did management put forth? Did they weigh each decision as carefully as the pilots did? I bet not.<br /> <br /> <b>At some companies the BS is so deep that the pilots should be issued uniform boots....NJW</b></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><b>Unemployment before servitude</b><br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 16950" data-quote="netjetwife" data-source="post: 1488698" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1488698" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1488698">netjetwife said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> PY, my answer applied to 1108 specifically, but for an educated guess why others have failed I would suggest it was because of company mismanagement and perhaps market situations beyond a union&#039;s control such as cut-throat competition and high fuel prices. When <i>all </i>pilots view their aviation skills as a fixed cost of doing business with a minimum price attached then perhaps they can work together to pull wages up instead of following each other in a downward spiral....<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /> <br /> <br /> It&#039;s not right to expect professional pilots to work for <i>unskilled-labor wages</i> while management balances the budget the easy way--on the pilotgroup&#039;s back....<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f621.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":mad:" title="Mad :mad:" data-smilie="4"data-shortname=":mad:" /> In every out of business airline the pilots had to fly as if lives depended on them. How much effort did management put forth? Did they weigh each decision as carefully as the pilots did? I bet not.<br /> <br /> <b>At some companies the BS is so deep that the pilots should be issued uniform boots....NJW</b> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><span style="font-size: 10px">Unemployment before servitude, it that the mantra of union organization. I prefer servitude while looking for my next job. I know nothing of CS’s balance sheet, they might be able to match NJ, and they might not. But it would be great for NJ if they folded after an organizing drive. I suppose that would be good for few CS pilots who could then get hired by NJ. <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">As far as anti-union again you have misread me, I am a union realist. I am ex-union ALPA and Teamsters, both companies Transamerica and Zantop out of business. I have seen what unions can do and what they can not do. Unions are why we have many of he working rules at union and non-union airlines. At profitable companies, NJ and UPS, FedEx unions can ensure that management shares with its employees. At marginal companies unions can not make a silk purse out of a pig’s ear. Whenever I see the, militant union talk on this board I go back to my union companies that went out of business and inject a note caution. BTW I know not being 100% pro union on this site is the equivalent of being the anti-Christ. <br /> </span></span></span></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><b>so unions don&#039;t really effect growth?</b><br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 3173" data-quote="CA1900" data-source="post: 1488692" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1488692" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1488692">CA1900 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> For the same reasons non-union companies don&#039;t grow and go out of business: bad business plan, bad management, bad economics. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Both union and non-union companies both grow and go out of busines? Is that what I read?</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 214" data-quote="pilotyip" data-source="post: 1489007" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1489007" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1489007">pilotyip said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> <span style="font-size: 10px">Unemployment before servitude, it that the mantra of union organization. I prefer servitude while looking for my next job. I know nothing of CS’s balance sheet, they might be able to match NJ, and they might not. But it would be great for NJ if they folded after an organizing drive. I suppose that would be good for few CS pilots who could then get hired by NJ. <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">As far as anti-union again you have misread me, I am a union realist. I am ex-union ALPA and Teamsters, both companies Transamerica and Zantop out of business. I have seen what unions can do and what they can not do. Unions are why we have many of he working rules at union and non-union airlines. At profitable companies, NJ and UPS, FedEx unions can ensure that management shares with its employees. At marginal companies unions can not make a silk purse out of a pig’s ear. Whenever I see the, militant union talk on this board I go back to my union companies that went out of business and inject a note caution. <b>BTW I know not being 100% pro union on this site is the equivalent of being the anti-Christ. </b></span></span><br /> </span> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote> <br /> <span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">What he said.</span><br /> <br /> <span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">Oh, and just because the company is profitable doesn&#039;t mean that a union can&#039;t drag it down or suck it dry and into bankruptcy.</span><br /> <br /> <span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">I agree with the note of caution. Like I&#039;ve always said, &quot;Be careful what you ask for.&quot;</span><br /> <br /> <span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><a href="http://www.unionfacts.com" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">www.unionfacts.com</a></span></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 29553" data-quote="B19 Flyer" data-source="post: 1489208" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1489208" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1489208">B19 Flyer said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> <span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">What he said.</span><br /> <br /> <span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">Oh, and just because the company is profitable doesn&#039;t mean that a union can&#039;t drag it down or suck it dry and into bankruptcy.</span><br /> <br /> <span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">I agree with the note of caution. Like I&#039;ve always said, &quot;Be careful what you ask for.&quot;</span><br /> <br /> <span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><a href="http://www.unionfacts.com" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">www.unionfacts.com</a></span><a href="http://www.unionfacts.com" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">http://www.unionfacts.com</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote> <br /> <br /> It&#039;s okay to be a non-union guy, it is not okay to be an uninformed boob. You could be better recieved if you responded directly to questions posted to you instead of having one sided conversations. When you do respend it is so generic and cryptic it doesn&#039;t say anything. How about taking a firm stand and answer some questions?<br /> <br /> As I stated before, unions don&#039;t drag companies down. Piss poor management does. The PIC has the ultimate authority for the safe outcome of the flight, just like management is responsible for the success of the company.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 23540" data-quote="fischman" data-source="post: 1484498" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1484498" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1484498">fischman said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> No kidding!!! Do you have ANY IDEA how much I&#039;m going to have to pay in taxes next year??? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> It really sucks to have to look into ways to shelter your money, doesn&#039;t it? <br /> <br /> IDEA!! You need to buy a bar and sell STAG Beer!!!</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 14367" data-quote="Humphreybogart" data-source="post: 1483441" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1483441" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1483441">Humphreybogart said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> What nerve the Union (1108) has sending the CitationShares pilots unsolicited cards in the mail. I just gave mine a quick trip through the shredder. They have gonads the size of elephants. Say NO to the union. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote> <br /> I thought about my reponse again..and here is my new reponse...WHO CARES..SHRED IT, THROW IT AWAY OR JUST LOOK AT IT..NOBODY REALLY CARES..your the only one that has to be happy with your situation..so good luck</div>
 
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