Jumpseating and the forward lav....

[SWA Bubba]

So,
Let's say I'm jumpseating on someone's airline, in uniform, and they have a seat for me in the back. I walk up front to talk to the flight attendant, and she tells me I can't stand there. I replied that I am considered crew, and it's only passengers that cannot stand and wait for the forward lav. I said that if it made her uncomfortable, I would gladly move. So, my question is, who was right?

Now, if you think the FA was right, that's fine. My only question is, why can I ride in the cockpit, but can't stand outside of it? Can I stand outside of it, in the galley area for a few minutes while actually riding in the cockpit? Why or why not? Do flight attendants realize that pilots riding in the back, if CASS checked, are qualified to ride up front in the cockpit? Do they know we are considered additional crewmembers? They seem to know we cannot have alcohol while jumpseating, so doesn't that mean we are crew?

Just curious as to what others think of the situation. Thanks.

Dude, do you work for Frontier?

Because the exact same thing happened to me yesterday. It was kinda' eerie after reading this thread. We had two OAL jumpseaters (a Frontier guy and a XJet gal) who introduced themselves and sat in the back. After the flight, the 'A' FA came up to me and told me an almost identical story. The Frontier guy came up to use the forward lav, and it was occupied. The FA told him it was occupied, and that he could use the rear lav. He said, and she quoted, "that's okay, I'll just wait here." She said he wasn't supposed to, and in response, he gave her an exasperated look and waved his hand down at his uniform to apparently indicate that it was "okay for him to be there." She told him that she had just told another passenger that he couldn't wait up there, and she thought it would be a bad example if she let him wait. She said that he just stared at her for a few seconds, shook his head and walked off. The whole thing left her feeling uncomfortable; enough so that she felt she needed to talk to me about it.

So I guess my take on the whole situation is, the legal situation may still be up in the air, but on the other hand, if you piss off, creep out, or otherwise reflect badly upon yourself to a host crewmember, then you're wrong. Every time.

Bubba

 

[Ur Dad]

don't try that at RAH cause we don't like ******************************s like you... take your punk ass to the back then sit the ******************** down and shut the ******************** up.
Thank you come again...

 

[chqflyer]

don't try that at RAH cause we don't like ******************************s like you... take your punk ass to the back then sit the ******************** down and shut the ******************** up.
Thank you come again...

Oh whatever you pencil dicked little bitch. Shut up and go suck CMs dick some more.

 

[trip]

It's weird and awkward, and not your place, can you move.? That's is the last place I would think of "hanging out" when jumpseating in uniform. I have never seen anyone else do it either.
Take your pis when boarding starts, sit down and grab a nap, you're there.

 

[Chest Rockwell]

You are not a crewmember. The term "Additional Crew Member/ACM" is an airline term. Once outside the cockpit you are simply another passenger as far as the rules regarding standing in the forward cabin since you have no training or qualifications with that carrier. Most OpSpecs will refer to the OAL jumpseater as personnel.

 

[flyboyike]

Do some people just not have any real problems in life?

 

[APFPilot]

You should write the FAA Chief Legal Council. http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/agc/key_officials/Bios/WARREN BIO/ he was a jumpmaster in the Army so he can probably answer your question about parachutes as well.

 

[northstar]

I disagree. But, I was in my own cabin, as there was no first class. Not every airline has first class. Of course, I've been invited up to FC to use the lav by the FA's, but that's another story.

Everyone seems to agree that it would be nice to follow the pax rules, but nobody seems to know whether it's the law or not. If I sign up for the JS, and they check me in CASS, it doesn't matter where I'm sitting. What if I ride in the cockpit for the takeoff and then ride in the back for the rest of the flight? Again, I don't think she didn't want me there, she was concerned about the TSA regs. Also, if you are concerned about other passengers following suit, don't you think they see someone in uniform as crew, whether you guys do or not?

I'm just asking about the legality, not the morality, or courtesy aspect of it. That's all, nothing more, nothing less.

Thanks.

Were you traveling on a jet with a red belly? If so there's actually an RBF that states JSers must wait in the jetway and not near the forward galley.