Jumpseat Denied

[SoCentralRain]

Like it or not, often times not, the jumpseat is at the captains discretion.

But it should have nothing to do with personal possesion of a union card.

Out-of-touch Don Quixotes with a burr up their bum trying to make a "statement" by denying a reciprocal jumpseat do nothing but make themselves look like the tools that their right-seater already knows they are.

SCR

 

[717capt]

You can't blame it all on Jetblue. Prior to 9/11 the airline industry was already in a decline. A failed merger between UAL and USAir, AMR lost $500 million in the 2nd quarter of 2001 and that year Jetblue ended with 15 planes and was just a year old-- give me a break, how come you don't bash Spirit for their wages and they even have a union!. Blame your demise on poor managment. Or the way the planets are aligned, I'm tired of your aimless ranting.

Bayou your wasting your time with this crowd. Amazing that no one remembers the state of the industry on Sept. 10th

 

[Laughing_Jakal]

Yea but......

Did you offer to clean the....nevermind.

 

[717capt]

Airtran only takes one jumpseater for each jumpseat on the plane. We want to take more, but our management won't let us yet. It has to be negotiated, but I'm not taking any form of a paycut to get you an extra seat in the back.

Oh, by the way, NW now has unlimited jumpseating for everyone which matches the rest of the industry. I suspect Airtran will get it too someday. We were the last major to get CASS, I suspect we'll be the last major to allow unlimited jumpseaters.

It used to be unlimited jumpseating at Airtran and we just let management change the policy. They specifically and blatently violated our contract with regards to jumpseat procedures and we let them do it, and whats more, we arn't doing anything about getting it back to the way it should be. The whole industry is progressing forward with regards to unlimited jumpseating and we are stagnant. My apologies to anyone that has to pay the $25.

 

[JBPA]

Funny, that's would have been my guess for you too.

Touche! I guess I better brush up with my ol' friend Dale Carnegie.

 

[SWA/FO]

Imagine the world of hurt JB would be in if suddenly none of thier pilots could commute to work. I'm weeping crocodile tears already..... :bomb:

Imagine the world of hurt NWA would be in if suddenly none of their pilots could commute to work.

A few months back while showing my license to a NWA Captain and trying to get his autograph, his FO asked "is Southwest on our list?". When I looked at him (FO) he then asked "are you ALPA?" - "I said NO, is that a problem?"

So since then any NWA guy I see on our jumpseat, I ask them "are you SWAPA?" - most have no idea what I'm talking about.

 

[Purpled]

Touche! I guess I better brush up with my ol' friend Dale Carnegie.

Ditto. Off topic, when are you guys gonna be ALPA?

(I figured 7 pages wasn't enough for one day)

 

[NuGuy]

Hi Guys,

On behalf of the pilot group, I want to appologize for any inconviences this tool caused.

Not that it is any excuse, but the group has been under a lot of pressure just recently. Management has come right out and said that they are going to disregard certain parts of the contract.

On top of that, we have another set of pilots conspiring with management to take what little there is left from the junior pilots in the way of retirement.

The good news is that there is now an unlimited jumpseat policy that just went into effect. It will be a few weeks until it filters down to everyone, so please be patient.

The bad news is that the battle royal between bluebook and redbook might get really bad (seems like the greenbook guys are sitting this one out). NWA is not a pleasant place right now, and it's going to get much, much worse.

Nu

 

[737 Pylt]

You paid the company to sit in the right seat as an FO with Gulfstream, and now fly for PNCL and you have the audacity to lecture JetBlue pilots? Amazing.......

This coming from a scumbag who bought his job at asa, turned around, sued alpa for a slot at a mainline job because he was too unqualified to get hired the right way!
John, shouldn't you be busy sending more money to Haber? Spring time's coming around and his pool needs retiling!
TOOL!

737

 

[Dizel8]

They may have to hear me b!tch about transcon turns or cabin cleaning for a minute or two before I sign the form, but they always get a ride.

You know, you are such a sad tool. I have given rides to your fellow airmen from that pay for training outfit you called an airline and I never gave them crap. So why don't you grow the fark up!

 

[JAM-BRO]

Imagine the world of hurt NWA would be in if suddenly none of their pilots could commute to work.

A few months back while showing my license to a NWA Captain and trying to get his autograph, his FO asked "is Southwest on our list?". When I looked at him (FO) he then asked "are you ALPA?" - "I said NO, is that a problem?"

So since then any NWA guy I see on our jumpseat, I ask them "are you SWAPA?" - most have no idea what I'm talking about.

SWAFO

I raise the BS flag on your JS tale. I doubt that there is a single FO at NWA that "A few months back" didn't know that SWA wasn't ALPA. I really don't believe your story. Save it pal!!

I again have to say that I am sorry that this happened. I agree with NUGuy that there is a lot of sh!t being served on our plate at NWA. Still, that's not how OAL JSters should be treated. I've been at NWA for a long time and have yet to see a JS request denied. I hope I never do, unless the guy/gal is a total dumbass.

 

[schafjet]

I know first hand what happened. IB is not a scab. IB was not denied the JS because he did not have a ALPA card, he has a ALPA card (why that matters?), he is a furloughed UAL guy, so he got on the disputed flight. The person denied was another JB guy that was also trying to get home to MSP on that same flight. He did not have a ALPA card and the Captian in his judgement thought he was not worthy. It seems like it is the 757 guys at NWA making all the calls about who is bringing the industry down. I have a ALPA card and work for Sun Country, am I not worthy too? What about the American Pilots, they don't have ALPA cards. Also, does this Captain at NWA realize that JB pilots are trying to bring ALPA onto the property? Get informed before you deny guys a ride home. You wouldn't want this sh!t happening to you.

 

[ultrarunner]

The bottom line is every outfit has a few pricks. This guy got denied but was smart enough to have a plan B. That's the best defense.

The captain that was the prick, for whatever reason, will be ratted out soon enough, and in the end, he'll get his as his name will be on a list.

Nothing to loose sleep over.

 

[McNugget]

For the record, I have been #2 in line for the AirTran jumpseat numerous times and have never been charged the $25. AirTran and jetBlue are hands-down the most hassle free jumpseat experiences in the industry.

 

[Ty Webb]

"Captain's Discretion" doesn't mean "license to be a complete a-hole" . . . at least, not where I come from. It should be reserved for extreme cases, and simply working for a non-ALPA carrier doesn't pass the sniff test. . . . . hell, ALPA doesn't pass the sniff test.



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