Jumpseat Denied

[IB6 UB9]

02-05-07...LGA-MSP, Northwest, had to be 80 to 100 seats open. Two of us going home, Captain denied one of us because one of us didn't have an ALPA card. I am amazed this crap is still going on.

 

[mynameisjim]

Is it that you didn't have a card, or you aren't a member of ALPA?

 

[Dizel8]

I think contacting your jumpseat coordinator is the way to go, not posting identifying information here!

 

[canyonblue]

I think contacting your jumpseat coordinator is the way to go, not posting identifying information here!

I disagree. Post it here so we can all see what airlines are not allowing fellow pilots to jumpseat. I know it's "just a few rouge pilots", but someone needs to put their foot down and put a stop to this. By only contacting their jumpseat coordinator this behavior is not as widely known as it should be.

 

[Diesel-9]

I'd like to look into this. Who do you fly for?

 

[FlyWolf]

If you don't mind a stop in MKE you are always welcome to come jump with us here at Midwest

 

[Stukadriver]

I disagree. Post it here so we can all see what airlines are not allowing fellow pilots to jumpseat. I know it's "just a few rouge pilots", but someone needs to put their foot down and put a stop to this. By only contacting their jumpseat coordinator this behavior is not as widely known as it should be.

Yes, it is just a few rogue pilots, but when you contact your J/S coordinator, he will contact the other airline's J/S coordinator, and that person will hopefully pull some weight. They have commuters who might just need a ride on your airline someday. Not to mention a few furloughees who might need a job.

 

[seefive]

Is it that you didn't have a card, or you aren't a member of ALPA?

Well??

 

[Pat Fabin]

Posting here might be a good way to vent, but not a good way to get anything done to fix a problem. Contact your jumpseat coordinator.

Meanwhile, one denial does not constitute a trend. We've all been there.

 

[skiandsurf]

Is it that you didn't have a card, or you aren't a member of ALPA?

What does that matter? If you work for Skywest or JetBlue (both non-ALPA) and your company has an agreement with another company, who cares about ALPA. I carried jumpseaters for 17 years, and NEVER asked to see an ALPA card (or medical). I have been asked for these on UAL.

 

[mynameisjim]

What does that matter?

It's the way he said it. It made me curious and I asked him to specify what he meant. Everyone else has just started assuming they know what he meant.

 

[Longhorn]

It actually is a trend with NWA. I have been denied the jumpseat on 3 occasions in the last 2 years for the sole reason that I am a JB pilot. To quote the 9 captain "Im sorry, I don't take you guys" IB6 works here as well and I promise you that the reason is that he works for JB. This gets really old after a while. We have very few problems jumpseating on anyone except NWA. Yes, there are still a few flareups here and there but for the most part they are the biggest culprits in this. We have the most liberal jumpseat policy in the industry yet we get the most crap....really nice. I would never say that we should start a JS war as that does not accomplish anything but a letter to the JS committee is a good start. As for posting the info here....great idea as well.

 

[skiandsurf]

Does JB have a written agreement with NWA? If so, this guy is way out of line. If not agreement, you dont have much to argue.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

now why would there be any flareups???

 

[Ty Webb]

We (AirTran pilots) had 3 instances within a year, all on NWA. He was a MEM based DC9 CA.

Funny thing is, one of the pilots he denied a few months prior had a mechanical in MEM, and during the long wait, he decided to look up the NWA DC9 CP there and tell him about it. :laugh:

That was the last time I heard of this happening on NWA.

NO PERSONAL NAMES

 

[LearLove]

Yes, there are still a few flareups here and there

Wait is this about the jumpseat or your herpes? They gave you the blue gloves for a reason

 

[Longhorn]

I am using a cream for the jumpseat herpies.....but it just wont go away.

 

[Longhorn]

Does JB have a written agreement with NWA? If so, this guy is way out of line. If not agreement, you dont have much to argue.

Yes we have a written agreement with NWA. This was way out of line.

 

[HomerJ]

A handful at NW were always a bit more militant than others, and probably always will be. Every company has their 10%, although there it might be more like 15%...

 

[GuppyWN]

I am not nor have I ever been an ALPA member. Does not "having an ALPA card" mean simply that or is there another reason one wouldn't have a card? (ie. line crosser etc.)

Gup

 

[mynameisjim]

I am not nor have I ever been an ALPA member. Does not "having an ALPA card" mean simply that or is there another reason one wouldn't have a card? (ie. line crosser etc.)

Gup

That was what I was getting at in the beginning.

 

[Fly4hire]

Does JB have a written agreement with NWA? If so, this guy is way out of line. If not agreement, you dont have much to argue.

I agree, however we don't want to go down the road of taking the JS authority out of the hands of the Captain either.

Frankly it would not bother me if JB was banned from all ALPA JS's. Not from a personal standpoint against the pilots, but because much of the damage to the industry was inflicted as a result of the (at the time) lowered bar by JB.

From a NWA perspective none of our bases are in LGA, FLL, or JFK. Other than leisure travel none of our pilots use JB to go to work. On the other had we are providing thier pilots a free ride to work in order to allow JB to compete against us.

Imagine the world of hurt JB would be in if suddenly none of thier pilots could commute to work. I'm weeping crocodile tears already..... :bomb:

 

[mynameisjim]

Frankly it would not bother me if JB was banned from all ALPA JS's.

Well you can't control all ALPA jumpseats, but you can control your own airline's. If you feel strongly work within your company to change your jumpseat agreement. Otherwise I believe you should accept the pilots on your agreements.

 

[skiandsurf]

Yes we have a written agreement with NWA. This was way out of line.

I would hope that this guy gets a good "talkin to" from his ALPA jumpseat guy.

When jumpseating, you can always tell if the captain is a commuter as well. The commuters always take care of the other commuters. The non-commuters are usually the ones that roll their eyes as you make your way back to an empty seat.

 

[apache]

Perhaps I didn't read closely enough, but the question was asked who IB6 works for. Not to defend starting jumpseat wars, but we need to know if IB6 shows up on a scab list, works for Hojets, was wearing an earing (or nose ring), or didn't ask politely. I'm betting none of these are the case, but we need to know before condemning the NW cpt.

A slight hijack of the thread here, but there is nothing that management or anyone else can do to make me allow a Hojet scab to ride on my airplane as a jumpseater.

 

[skiandsurf]

Frankly it would not bother me if JB was banned from all ALPA JS's. Not from a personal standpoint against the pilots, but because much of the damage to the industry was inflicted as a result of the (at the time) lowered bar by JB.

JB has always been more than helpful with their jumpseat. I have sat on the extra FA seat on many flights. Thanks JB.

I have already said, on another thread, that nobody should let the Skybus pilots jumpseat.

 

[IrishjbPilot]

Perhaps I didn't read closely enough, but the question was asked who IB6 works for. Not to defend starting jumpseat wars, but we need to know if IB6 shows up on a scab list, works for Hojets, was wearing an earing (or nose ring), or didn't ask politely. I'm betting none of these are the case, but we need to know before condemning the NW cpt.

A slight hijack of the thread here, but there is nothing that management or anyone else can do to make me allow a Hojet scab to ride on my airplane as a jumpseater.

I said in my earlier post.....IB6 works for JetBlue.

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

I agree, however we don't want to go down the road of taking the JS authority out of the hands of the Captain either.

Frankly it would not bother me if JB was banned from all ALPA JS's. Not from a personal standpoint against the pilots, but because much of the damage to the industry was inflicted as a result of the (at the time) lowered bar by JB.

From a NWA perspective none of our bases are in LGA, FLL, or JFK. Other than leisure travel none of our pilots use JB to go to work. On the other had we are providing thier pilots a free ride to work in order to allow JB to compete against us.

Imagine the world of hurt JB would be in if suddenly none of thier pilots could commute to work. I'm weeping crocodile tears already..... :bomb:

Dude, it's called a reciprocal jumpseat agreement! I don't care what you think about JB lowering the bar; must you look no further than Legacy Management and the pilots who allowed their collective bargaining agreements to disappear by capitulating to their demands-- don't blame JB for that! Additionally, what honor do you have when you sign an agreement and your troops don't live by their word. JB has lived up to its side of the contract. I weep no tears for you at all, if you can't even live up to this simple agreement, how do you expect your managers to live up to your contracts? One word for you, dishonorable.

BTW, we carry many of NWA flight attendants from FL up to NYC, but I guess that doesn't matter to the pilot corps. They can care less about them and the maintainers or that little sit-down of baggage handlers they had a few months ago.

 

[mynameisjim]

I have already said, on another thread, that nobody should let the Skybus pilots jumpseat.

But then in a few years, when there are a lot of Skybus pilots, you'll see threads just like this with Skybus guys wondering why legacy pilots don't like them.

 

[737 Pylt]

I am not nor have I ever been an ALPA member. Does not "having an ALPA card" mean simply that or is there another reason one wouldn't have a card? (ie. line crosser etc.)

Gup

No Gup:
Because alpa in its infinite wisdom forgave all the cal scabs and welcomed them back into the union with a big hug and a forgive and forget policy....
After all, there's dues to be collected!

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