Judge Silver issued her decision in Addington II

[Scoot 11]

Puff, did you say something?

It's difficult for him to speak with his mouth full. He's bobbin for apples on the lap of his eastie man love!:laugh::laugh:
How else will an eastie supplement his/her income!!!

 

[Scoot 11]

Puff, did you say something? My eyes were watering from laughing at a wannabe-that-never-was saying that SWA was a "have-not".

You're a true original - oh, wait there are 3500 of you morons that think that way.

He's an easthole through and through! Either that or her husband is one! Either way, just goes to show you how completely ********************ing stupid she is!
More than a decade of being on a pay scale slightly lower than MESA! LMFAO! A real group of dickheads over there!

 

[Turtle21]

Cactuspilot.com
"Push for Just a New Car" (not4U, 4Marty!)

 

[PuffDriver]

Puff, did you say something? My eyes were watering from laughing at a wannabe-that-never-was saying that SWA was a "have-not".

You're a true original - oh, wait there are 3500 of you morons that think that way.

That's correct, they had not a retirement. They had not work rules. They have never met the most lucrative contract in the industry. They make their money by working their a$$es off for it. It is what it it is, but they were (in the context of my post) and are a have not. Compared to the West, they are a have, as are most airlines.

 

[PuffDriver]

I guess you missed the memo - there was no independent ratification in the TA. Oopsies!

Wow, you really got me there. It was worse than independent ratification. The timeline was the important thing, and shows why USAPA WILL be at the table even after APA is voted in.

But let's not pass up this nugget. The West ratified the MOU by, what? 94%? 97%? They became convinced this would show damages. How did you say it? Oh that's right, oopsies!! So now they are trying to say that they were misled. While true, perhaps the next lawsuit should be their lawyer as the defendant, or their pilot/lawyer. Then they throw barbs about integrity, when the goal is really worse than that of the East, going back on a deal. Which brings us back to this post?...

ALPA merger policy stated list, contract, independently ratify. That's the way it went down with AWA/USAir, or rather did not go down. Problem was, no contract. While i'm sure that it was all the East pilots fault :roll eyes: and USAir was completely above board once the rest of the industry entered "merger mania" :roll eyes:, the old consummation never took place.

Different story with American; totally different. The deal is done. All parties are trapped as there is an agreement, and it is ratified. All parties have agreed to accept negotiated or binding outcomes. With ALPA merger policy, all parties agree to accept the list as part of an acceptable contract, which as you very well know never happened. Case closed, and Silver (despite her moodiness) knows. So do you.

Otherwise, you might actually have some kind of semi-intelligent attempt of response. Same with your buddy the sponge. I suppose, however, if you had that intellect you would have found yourself under different circumstances than your current one.

Like shooting fish in a barrel. Remember, you always have the General. Later boys, and remember, you've ALWAYSbeen the bottom of the barrel, East only after 2 consecutive BK contracts. :laugh:

 

[Bringupthebird]

Well the Oracle of Elmira has spoken. He's not sure what he's talking about, but he has spoken.

So the crummy little AWA that was hiring and adding airplanes before being hobbled with the charity case from Pittsburgh and that have-not SWA that kicked US out of half it's hubs and 80% of it's markets were no match for the mighty Allegheny PLUS.

Got it.

 

[Guppiedriver]

The timeline was the important thing, and shows why USAPA WILL be at the table even after APA is voted in.

Are you sure about that?

Petition for Single-Carrier Status

Your APA leadership has received several inquiries from members regarding our filing of a petition for single-carrier status with the National Mediation Board (NMB) earlier this week. Some members have also read the update that the US Airline Pilots Association (USAPA) issued yesterday, which characterized the filing as "premature" and asserted that a single-carrier filing would be timely only after an integrated seniority list is completed.
To be clear, APA's filing complies with the Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) mutually agreed to by American Airlines, US Airways, APA and USAPA. The MOU stipulates the following:

APA shall file a single carrier petition with the NMB as soon as practicable after the Effective Date, when APA determines that the facts support the legal requirements for the filing of a petition but in no event later than four months after the Effective Date.


The term "Effective Date" refers to the date of the merger between American Airlines and US Airways, which was Dec. 9, 2013.
Consistent with that provision of the MOU and based on information American Airlines filed with the NMB last week, APA determined that the facts support the legal requirements for the filing of a petition. The completion of an integrated seniority list is not a mandatory pre-condition for a single-carrier finding by the NMB. Actually, in the vast majority of significant airline mergers, the NMB has found a single carrier before the completion of seniority integration.

The USAPA update also asserted that "the McCaskill-Bond Amendment contemplates the continued independent representation of each pre-merger bargaining unit throughout the process of seniority integration." This statement suggests that USAPA would continue to serve in its current capacity even after the NMB certifies a single bargaining representative. However, as Judge Silver notes in her Jan. 10 decision in the Addington case, "when USAPA is no longer the certified representative, it must immediately stop participating in the seniority integration."

The APA Seniority Integration Committee will continue to pursue the negotiation of a seniority integration protocol with USAPA and American Airlines, as required by the MOU. This protocol will establish the rules of engagement for APA and USAPA going forward.

APA will provide updates as appropriate during what will likely be a lengthy and complex seniority integration process.

 

[Bringupthebird]

USAPA assumed they would be listened to and obeyed. Never happened before, but that doesn't stop them.

 

[Turtle21]

Are you sure about that?

Petition for Single-Carrier Status

Your APA leadership has received several inquiries from members regarding our filing of a petition for single-carrier status with the National Mediation Board (NMB) earlier this week. Some members have also read the update that the US Airline Pilots Association (USAPA) issued yesterday, which characterized the filing as "premature" and asserted that a single-carrier filing would be timely only after an integrated seniority list is completed.
To be clear, APA's filing complies with the Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) mutually agreed to by American Airlines, US Airways, APA and USAPA. The MOU stipulates the following:

APA shall file a single carrier petition with the NMB as soon as practicable after the Effective Date, when APA determines that the facts support the legal requirements for the filing of a petition but in no event later than four months after the Effective Date.


The term "Effective Date" refers to the date of the merger between American Airlines and US Airways, which was Dec. 9, 2013.
Consistent with that provision of the MOU and based on information American Airlines filed with the NMB last week, APA determined that the facts support the legal requirements for the filing of a petition. The completion of an integrated seniority list is not a mandatory pre-condition for a single-carrier finding by the NMB. Actually, in the vast majority of significant airline mergers, the NMB has found a single carrier before the completion of seniority integration.

The USAPA update also asserted that "the McCaskill-Bond Amendment contemplates the continued independent representation of each pre-merger bargaining unit throughout the process of seniority integration." This statement suggests that USAPA would continue to serve in its current capacity even after the NMB certifies a single bargaining representative. However, as Judge Silver notes in her Jan. 10 decision in the Addington case, "when USAPA is no longer the certified representative, it must immediately stop participating in the seniority integration."

The APA Seniority Integration Committee will continue to pursue the negotiation of a seniority integration protocol with USAPA and American Airlines, as required by the MOU. This protocol will establish the rules of engagement for APA and USAPA going forward.

APA will provide updates as appropriate during what will likely be a lengthy and complex seniority integration process.

Silver is a politician through and through. She knows nothing in her dicta has any impact or is ever reviewable on appeal, and takes advantage of that accordingly.

 

[St. Nic]

Silver is a politician through and through. She knows nothing in her dicta has any impact or is ever reviewable on appeal, and takes advantage of that accordingly.

Another stupid desert judge!

 

[PuffDriver]

Are you sure about that?

Yes. While USAPA won't continue in its current capacity it will continue throughout the SLI. Judicial rants are not law. Surprised that APA would actually put that out.

 

[PuffDriver]

Well the Oracle of Elmira has spoken. He's not sure what he's talking about, but he has spoken.

So the crummy little AWA that was hiring and adding airplanes before being hobbled with the charity case from Pittsburgh and that have-not SWA that kicked US out of half it's hubs and 80% of it's markets were no match for the mighty Allegheny PLUS.

Got it.

IOW, you have nothing to add. Got it :roll eyes:

Maybe you guys can start a countdown clock on Phoenix. Let's compare apples to apples. Phoenix with Philly, or Phoenix to CLT.

Discuss

 

[Turtle21]

Yes. While USAPA won't continue in its current capacity it will continue throughout the SLI. Judicial rants are not law. Surprised that APA would actually put that out.

Negotiating bluster and posturing. More to follow.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Negotiating bluster and posturing.

IOW "It's only a flesh wound!!" The total lack of a grasp on reality is breathtaking, even for eastards.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Will the APA wait to fill in enough positions with their people in CLT, PHL and DCA before allowing elections for base reps? Allowing the same idiots to occupy those positions under APA will make them irrelevant.

Loudmouth, corrupt and embarrassing, yes of course, but still irrelevant.

Tell the Grievance Granny TM she needs to roll up her yarn and head back to the line. No more FPL for doing nothing.