Judge Silver issued her decision in Addington II

[Bringupthebird]

Well the Oracle of Elmira has spoken. He's not sure what he's talking about, but he has spoken.

So the crummy little AWA that was hiring and adding airplanes before being hobbled with the charity case from Pittsburgh and that have-not SWA that kicked US out of half it's hubs and 80% of it's markets were no match for the mighty Allegheny PLUS.

Got it.

 

[Guppiedriver]

The timeline was the important thing, and shows why USAPA WILL be at the table even after APA is voted in.

Are you sure about that?

Petition for Single-Carrier Status

Your APA leadership has received several inquiries from members regarding our filing of a petition for single-carrier status with the National Mediation Board (NMB) earlier this week. Some members have also read the update that the US Airline Pilots Association (USAPA) issued yesterday, which characterized the filing as "premature" and asserted that a single-carrier filing would be timely only after an integrated seniority list is completed.
To be clear, APA's filing complies with the Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) mutually agreed to by American Airlines, US Airways, APA and USAPA. The MOU stipulates the following:

APA shall file a single carrier petition with the NMB as soon as practicable after the Effective Date, when APA determines that the facts support the legal requirements for the filing of a petition but in no event later than four months after the Effective Date.


The term "Effective Date" refers to the date of the merger between American Airlines and US Airways, which was Dec. 9, 2013.
Consistent with that provision of the MOU and based on information American Airlines filed with the NMB last week, APA determined that the facts support the legal requirements for the filing of a petition. The completion of an integrated seniority list is not a mandatory pre-condition for a single-carrier finding by the NMB. Actually, in the vast majority of significant airline mergers, the NMB has found a single carrier before the completion of seniority integration.

The USAPA update also asserted that "the McCaskill-Bond Amendment contemplates the continued independent representation of each pre-merger bargaining unit throughout the process of seniority integration." This statement suggests that USAPA would continue to serve in its current capacity even after the NMB certifies a single bargaining representative. However, as Judge Silver notes in her Jan. 10 decision in the Addington case, "when USAPA is no longer the certified representative, it must immediately stop participating in the seniority integration."

The APA Seniority Integration Committee will continue to pursue the negotiation of a seniority integration protocol with USAPA and American Airlines, as required by the MOU. This protocol will establish the rules of engagement for APA and USAPA going forward.

APA will provide updates as appropriate during what will likely be a lengthy and complex seniority integration process.

 

[Bringupthebird]

USAPA assumed they would be listened to and obeyed. Never happened before, but that doesn't stop them.

 

[Turtle21]

Are you sure about that?

Petition for Single-Carrier Status

Your APA leadership has received several inquiries from members regarding our filing of a petition for single-carrier status with the National Mediation Board (NMB) earlier this week. Some members have also read the update that the US Airline Pilots Association (USAPA) issued yesterday, which characterized the filing as "premature" and asserted that a single-carrier filing would be timely only after an integrated seniority list is completed.
To be clear, APA's filing complies with the Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) mutually agreed to by American Airlines, US Airways, APA and USAPA. The MOU stipulates the following:

APA shall file a single carrier petition with the NMB as soon as practicable after the Effective Date, when APA determines that the facts support the legal requirements for the filing of a petition but in no event later than four months after the Effective Date.


The term "Effective Date" refers to the date of the merger between American Airlines and US Airways, which was Dec. 9, 2013.
Consistent with that provision of the MOU and based on information American Airlines filed with the NMB last week, APA determined that the facts support the legal requirements for the filing of a petition. The completion of an integrated seniority list is not a mandatory pre-condition for a single-carrier finding by the NMB. Actually, in the vast majority of significant airline mergers, the NMB has found a single carrier before the completion of seniority integration.

The USAPA update also asserted that "the McCaskill-Bond Amendment contemplates the continued independent representation of each pre-merger bargaining unit throughout the process of seniority integration." This statement suggests that USAPA would continue to serve in its current capacity even after the NMB certifies a single bargaining representative. However, as Judge Silver notes in her Jan. 10 decision in the Addington case, "when USAPA is no longer the certified representative, it must immediately stop participating in the seniority integration."

The APA Seniority Integration Committee will continue to pursue the negotiation of a seniority integration protocol with USAPA and American Airlines, as required by the MOU. This protocol will establish the rules of engagement for APA and USAPA going forward.

APA will provide updates as appropriate during what will likely be a lengthy and complex seniority integration process.

Silver is a politician through and through. She knows nothing in her dicta has any impact or is ever reviewable on appeal, and takes advantage of that accordingly.

 

[St. Nic]

Silver is a politician through and through. She knows nothing in her dicta has any impact or is ever reviewable on appeal, and takes advantage of that accordingly.

Another stupid desert judge!

 

[PuffDriver]

Are you sure about that?

Yes. While USAPA won't continue in its current capacity it will continue throughout the SLI. Judicial rants are not law. Surprised that APA would actually put that out.

 

[PuffDriver]

Well the Oracle of Elmira has spoken. He's not sure what he's talking about, but he has spoken.

So the crummy little AWA that was hiring and adding airplanes before being hobbled with the charity case from Pittsburgh and that have-not SWA that kicked US out of half it's hubs and 80% of it's markets were no match for the mighty Allegheny PLUS.

Got it.

IOW, you have nothing to add. Got it :roll eyes:

Maybe you guys can start a countdown clock on Phoenix. Let's compare apples to apples. Phoenix with Philly, or Phoenix to CLT.

Discuss

 

[Turtle21]

Yes. While USAPA won't continue in its current capacity it will continue throughout the SLI. Judicial rants are not law. Surprised that APA would actually put that out.

Negotiating bluster and posturing. More to follow.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Negotiating bluster and posturing.

IOW "It's only a flesh wound!!" The total lack of a grasp on reality is breathtaking, even for eastards.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Will the APA wait to fill in enough positions with their people in CLT, PHL and DCA before allowing elections for base reps? Allowing the same idiots to occupy those positions under APA will make them irrelevant.

Loudmouth, corrupt and embarrassing, yes of course, but still irrelevant.

Tell the Grievance Granny TM she needs to roll up her yarn and head back to the line. No more FPL for doing nothing.