Judge Silver issued her decision in Addington II

[Turtle21]

Look at APAs motivation-

It will be slanted well towards APA because of the wide bodies -and the bottom of the list will be fought over by east and west which will resemble nic -



The biggest plus -



It will FINALLY BE RESOLVED



The hope that APA will be the east's savior is naive

The APA got us a huge pay raise and an MOU that nullified the 2005 TA. They already saved us, so to speak .

It would already be "resolved" for you if you did not trouble yourself other people's issues.

 

[Bringupthebird]

When you drag the bar down for an entire industry for a decade because of your ignorance and stupidity, it becomes their issue.

 

[waveflyer]

Took the words out of my mouth bring

 

[Turtle21]

When you drag the bar down for an entire industry for a decade because of your ignorance and stupidity, it becomes their issue.

His "intervention" is merely an opportunity for me to "fart in his general direction".

After the defendant was subject to trial three times, in at least five courts (up to the SCOTUS), with lawyers on both sides being funded largely through donations and dues payments from the plaintiffs, the plaintiff never prevailed.

If he gave a hoot about you or the "industry problem" he would throw his money at Marty's feet too!

Cactuspilot.com. "Push for Justice"

 

[Bringupthebird]

Hey turd-
You do know that your side paid 66% of USAPA's defense and it consumed 100% of the attention of the "union". Aside from getting an injunction slammed on them, what else has your dues money gotten you? BTW- The MOU was a gift from the APA and your lump sum was a gift from ALPA. There are no more gifts in the mail.

 

[DCAA320]

Look at APAs motivation-
It will be slanted well towards APA because of the wide bodies -and the bottom of the list will be fought over by east and west which will resemble nic -

You bark like you can predict the future. Why don't you go teach a Navigation class over at your airline?

You ladies got lucky, again.

 

[eaglesview]

You bark like you can predict the future. Why don't you go teach a Navigation class over at your airline?

You ladies got lucky, again.

Now that was just plain mean........but accurate.

 

[Bringupthebird]

You bark like you can predict the future. Why don't you go teach a Navigation class over at your airline?

You ladies got lucky, again.

If you know anything about the history of the USeast, that's probably a road you don't want to go down.

But then again, when have you ever heeded good advice?

 

[PuffDriver]

When you drag the bar down for an entire industry for a decade because of your ignorance and stupidity, it becomes their issue.

What if you drag down the entire industry for the complete existence of your airline? (AWA)

 

[Bringupthebird]

What if you drag down the entire industry for the complete existence of your airline? (AWA)

Apparently you've either never read the work rules that AWA is giving up in the MOU because of USAPA, or you can only cope by living in the past you so casually trashed.

I am sure that you know the pay rates US had in ancient antiquity were solely a result of the hard work and sacrifice of pilots at other airlines such as UAL, EAL and NWA. US never summoned the courage to defend their profession via a serious work action. You simply rode the tide and claimed credit for creating the sea.

 

[eaglesview]

Hired at AWA.....an airline not even on most folks radar....and now going to be working for AA soon to be the largest airline and they still bitch. Ask me you all got lucky.

 

[General Lee]

Hired at AWA.....an airline not even on most folks radar....and now going to be working for AA soon to be the largest airline and they still bitch. Ask me you all got lucky.

You mean like the AirCal, Reno Air, and TWA pilots? No, the Easties have so far been the luckiest since they were saved by Parker from almost certain liquidation, and then their union scheme has so far worked. We all know the Easties got lucky, because BINDING arbitration usually means just that.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Bringupthebird]

Ask me you all got lucky.

No one asked you. Were you lucky to dig up the most incompetent union "leaders" to ever line their pockets with your money?

How lucky was a group who enjoyed rapid upgrades to be saddled with both bailing out a decrepit legacy also-ran and a union too stupid to see they were paying for the AA merger with LOA93 rates.

I have to ask you, are you feeling lucky, punk?

 

[abefly]

Hired at AWA.....an airline not even on most folks radar....and now going to be working for AA soon to be the largest airline and they still bitch. Ask me you all got lucky.

No, Lucky is you and your MDA friends who were hired at a regional and got padded into the bottom of the seniority list. What's it like to go from a regional to the largest airline in the world without interviewing?

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

If the APA is smart

Only the APA knows for sure as they have 100% of the control over what goes to the arbitrators. But those arbitrators will no doubt look back on the work of one of their own and it will likely resemble the Nic.

The APA would be wise to sit the USAIR group down at the kiddie table and make them come up with an agreement that everyone signs before attempting to fold the group into the American list. Bring the NIC, NIC Jr. as you put it, money, guns and lawyers, etc. and make it happen. This would help keep the APA out of a DFR between the East and the West. IMO.

 

[Bringupthebird]

USAPA won't allow any reps from the west, and frankly I agree. They wanted to be the sole rep and they have confiscated millions of dollars from the west. They need to be held accountable for their actions, or refund us all our dues.

There should be a comic book guide to dealing with USAPA, available at the USAPA bookstore. I think Jeff Foxworthy wrote it.

"If you'd rather pay lawyers to help you undermine the unity of the pilot group, you might be USAPA"

"If you believe that an average 8% difference in seniority or 18 month delay in upgrade is worth fighting for 8 years and spending 30 million dollars, you might be USAPA"

"If you feel paying yourself pennies on the dollar in a signing bonus is an investment, you might be USAPA"

and finally

"If you think DOH is the gold standard just because you put it in your C&BLs, you might be USAPA"

 

[Crzipilot]

wow just wow. How many more millions is the west going to sink into lawsuits which the judges continue to tell them they are wrong?

 

[Bringupthebird]

Hired at AWA.....an airline not even on most folks radar....

So you're the guy who wrote up the radar: "Radar INOP - unable to paint airlines, only displays weather"

 

[Bringupthebird]

wow just wow. How many more millions is the west going to sink into lawsuits which the judges continue to tell them they are wrong?

Pay a real lawyer a few bucks to tell you what Silver said. Your McKee notes are wildly inaccurate!

 

[Crzipilot]

USAPA won't allow any reps from the west, and frankly I agree. They wanted to be the sole rep and they have confiscated millions of dollars from the west. They need to be held accountable for their actions, or refund us all our dues.

There should be a comic book guide to dealing with USAPA, available at the USAPA bookstore. I think Jeff Foxworthy wrote it.

"If you'd rather pay lawyers to help you undermine the unity of the pilot group, you might be USAPA"

"If you believe that an average 8% difference in seniority or 18 month delay in upgrade is worth fighting for 8 years and spending 30 million dollars, you might be USAPA"

"If you feel paying yourself pennies on the dollar in a signing bonus is an investment, you might be USAPA"

and finally

"If you think DOH is the gold standard just because you put it in your C&BLs, you might be USAPA"

Love those generalizations of the NIC award, I was looking at much more than 8% difference in seniority and much much more than 18months upgrade time.

Was the money and time worth it? Definitely, if nothing else. To see the west have a coronary and their infinite spin on the latest ruling.

How ya gonna get out of this one? How much more money does Marty need going forward?

Is Marty's new law firm having a little problem, with no damages coming forth?