Joe the Plummer says, "Bring back the -9's"

[Superpilot92]

Check the 76 seat scope though. It is tied to a baseline fleet number.

Amend

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Section 1 B. 40. [/FONT][/FONT]to read: ​

40. "Permitted aircraft type" means: ​

a. a propeller-driven aircraft configured with 70 or fewer passenger seats and with a maximum certificated gross takeoff weight in the United States of 70,000 or fewer pounds, and

b. a jet aircraft certificated for operation in the United States for 50 or fewer passenger seats and with a maximum certificated gross takeoff weight in the United States of 65,000 or fewer pounds, and

c. one of up to 255 jet aircraft configured with 51-70 passenger seats and certificated in the United States with a maximum gross takeoff weight of 86,000 pounds or less ("70-seat jets"), and ​

d. one of up to 120 jet aircraft configured with 71-76 passenger seats and certificated in the United States with a maximum gross takeoff weight of 86,000 pounds or less ("76-seat jets"). The number of 76-seat jets may be increased above 120 by three 76-seat jets for each aircraft above the number of aircraft in the baseline fleet operated by the Company (in service, undergoing maintenance and operational spares) as of CBAID. The baseline fleet number will be 440+N, in which N is the number of aircraft (in service, undergoing maintenance and operational spares but not including permitted aircraft types) added to the Company’s baseline fleet from NWA. The number and type of all aircraft in the Company’s fleet on CBAID will be provided to the Association. The number of 70-seat jets plus 76-seat jets permitted by ​

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Section 1 B. 40. [/FONT][/FONT]may not exceed 255.


Exception: Up to the 36 EMB-175s that were operated and/or ordered by Northwest prior to CBAID may continue to be operated with up to a maximum gross takeoff weight of 89,000 pounds.





​

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Right but what he is stating is this. Currently they are not allowed to have more than 120 or so 76 seat jet a/c. Now for every mainline jet that comes on property they get three more 76 seat jets to a max of 255. We are not at 255 yet. This will help though.

I need to check, but these 9's may have been included in the baseline fleet size.

 

[vprMatrix]

Right but what he is stating is this. Currently they are not allowed to have more than 120 or so 76 seat jet a/c. Now for every mainline jet that comes on property they get three more 76 seat jets to a max of 255. We are not at 255 yet. This will help though.

I need to check, but these 9's may have been included in the baseline fleet size.

Without looking it up, I believe that the baseline for Delta Aircraft was set however the NW baseline was yet to be determined. This was one of my big issues with the JPWA.

The scope section of the JPWA is so full of holes I don't know why either MEC supported it.

uke:

 

[ACL65PILOT]

You know why VPR. It is not a front burner issue. We are not willing go use our negotiating capital for fixing it.

 

[AirportBum]

The number of 70-seat jets plus 76-seat jets permitted by

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Section 1 B. 40. [/FONT][/FONT]may not exceed 255.
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Anyone know how many of these we already have? I only know of the 72 between Compass/Mesaba. How many 70-76 seaters are there total, including the Delta connection planes?

Good news if 30 -9's are coming back. Still haven't seen a source for that though.

 

[Bad-Andy]

A plummer? Why he's the guy that puts feathers in hats. A specific type of haberdasher.

And as everyone knows, the new DelNorte uniform will have jaunty feathered caps.

And Leon's getting Laaaarger!

No, no, no.... That would be a plumer (only one m). Everyone knows a plummer is someone that grows and harvests plums in a plum orchard.....

Seriously, though, it would seem to me (an outsider) that any mainline growth is better than none. At least you won't be getting furloughed watching more big RJs coming on property taking your flying...

 

[DrunkIrishman]

CL65-

You have not been at Delta long enough to have such a negative opinion on the issue of scope. Don't forget where you came from my fellow acey'er.

 

[Superpilot92]

Right but what he is stating is this. Currently they are not allowed to have more than 120 or so 76 seat jet a/c. Now for every mainline jet that comes on property they get three more 76 seat jets to a max of 255. We are not at 255 yet. This will help though.

I need to check, but these 9's may have been included in the baseline fleet size.

I get that but what i was getting at is that the Max is 255. When that 255 happens the only thing they can do is convert 70 seaters to 76 seats because they cant add anymore airframes. While not great it is at least a stopping point.

The bigger point is that we as a pilot group need to make sure that number NEVER goes up. Any new planes need to come to the mainline ticket.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Correct, but think of that, 255 76 seat jets. That is a ton of those.

I have a negative view of scope. I did when I was at ASA. I got shut out of Delta for six years after my 01 class was canceled. Watched DCI grow like a cancer and mainline shrink from over 10K pilot to just over 6K. Why should I have a rosy picture of it. I was hired while I was flying the e-120. Jet time was really a non-issue back then.

 

[AA717driver]

-9's ROCK!

At $60/bbl, -9's are a cheap date. They love you long time, baby!

Enjoy, Red guys. TC

 

[nonstop]

I expect the DAL SLI proposal will have the DC-9 pilots stapled to the top of the list now. Their proposal logic is based on "what you bring to the merger" and the -9s are now the most profitable aircraft for Delta.

 

[mynameisjim]

Exception: Up to the 36 EMB-175s that were operated and/or ordered by Northwest prior to CBAID may continue to be operated with up to a maximum gross takeoff weight of 89,000 pounds.

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I wonder why they bothered to put in that restriction. By the time it was written, the Compass planes were already purchased with a MTOW of 85,500.

 

[DrunkIrishman]

CL65-

I could point figners saying you should have been an idealist and stayed off the jet based on your opinion, but I would have (and did) done the same thing. Just wanted to make sure you haven't forgotten your roots.

 

[wings421]

Here's hoping for the DC-9's Easter...

Please put them in MEM

 

[be-400xpdriver]

WTF is a "plummer"?

A freakin crappy former Denver Broncos QB.