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Joe the Plummer says, "Bring back the -9's"

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Things do move fast...but that's Anderson's style:

30+ DC9s to come out from the desert and added to the fleet beginning in April.

The Delta folks probably won't be thrilled to see the -9 parked on in the front yard emblazened with DAL colors...but oh well. No surprise since Anderson was one of the Principles who refurbished the -9s in the 90s and wanted to use their flexible lift.
DelWest getting ready to go after LBB? :))
 

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Things do move fast...but that's Anderson's style:

30+ DC9s to come out from the desert and added to the fleet beginning in April.

The Delta folks probably won't be thrilled to see the -9 parked on in the front yard emblazened with DAL colors...but oh well. No surprise since Anderson was one of the Principles who refurbished the -9s in the 90s and wanted to use their flexible lift.
DelWest getting ready to go after LBB? :))
Linky please -30s? ANY mainline aircraft is welcome.
 

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If that is true the company pulled quite a good fast one on the pilots. Park these a/c to get a lower baseline fleet number at DCC. Bring them all back and award more 76 seat airplanes. :-(
 

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WTF is a "plummer"?
 

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If that is true the company pulled quite a good fast one on the pilots. Park these a/c to get a lower baseline fleet number at DCC. Bring them all back and award more 76 seat airplanes. :-(

Anyone know if this theory is possible (related to the # in fleet on the DCC date)....or how that would work? Pretty messed up if they pull that on you guys.
 

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Anyone know if this theory is possible (related to the # in fleet on the DCC date)....or how that would work? Pretty messed up if they pull that on you guys.

Not really, its right out of the management 101 playbook.
 

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Not really, its right out of the management 101 playbook.

Expect much more (and worse) since Anderson was sure to KEEP one of the founding members of Ford & Harrison, Mike Campbell (search the board threads for more info), along as EVP of "Human Resources." Nothing human about any job filled by Ford & Harrison types I assure you. They are brought on for a REASON and it is Never EVER good for employees, especially pilots. You don't just go seek out the founding member from "retirement" because he'd "be a great guy for the TEAM," that's for sure.
Anyone at DL who falls for the Kool-Aid after years and years of history with these people in the industry proves otherwise, is just nuts and committing career suicide.
Rather than fighting each other (which they want) all the pilots need to work together against the worst which is soon to come.
 

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If that is true the company pulled quite a good fast one on the pilots. Park these a/c to get a lower baseline fleet number at DCC. Bring them all back and award more 76 seat airplanes. :-(


Not true. The old baseline # was a NWA deal. The new scope limits the total number of 70 seaters to 255 regardless. Therefore the limitation is almost maxed out. There are a few that can still be ordered but not many.

The scope is there and WE are the responsible for making sure it doesnt go away.
 

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Not true. The old baseline # was a NWA deal. The new scope limits the total number of 70 seaters to 255 regardless. Therefore the limitation is almost maxed out. There are a few that can still be ordered but not many.

The scope is there and WE are the responsible for making sure it doesnt go away.


Check the 76 seat scope though. It is tied to a baseline fleet number.
 

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Johnny, what do you make of this?

WTF is a "plummer"?

A plummer? Why he's the guy that puts feathers in hats. A specific type of haberdasher.

And as everyone knows, the new DelNorte uniform will have jaunty feathered caps.

And Leon's getting Laaaarger!
 

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Dunno?
Check the 76 seat scope though. It is tied to a baseline fleet number.



Amend
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Section 1 B. 40. [/FONT][/FONT]to read:

40. "Permitted aircraft type" means:

a. a propeller-driven aircraft configured with 70 or fewer passenger seats and with a maximum certificated gross takeoff weight in the United States of 70,000 or fewer pounds, and

b. a jet aircraft certificated for operation in the United States for 50 or fewer passenger seats and with a maximum certificated gross takeoff weight in the United States of 65,000 or fewer pounds, and
c. one of up to 255 jet aircraft configured with 51-70 passenger seats and certificated in the United States with a maximum gross takeoff weight of 86,000 pounds or less ("70-seat jets"), and

d. one of up to 120 jet aircraft configured with 71-76 passenger seats and certificated in the United States with a maximum gross takeoff weight of 86,000 pounds or less ("76-seat jets"). The number of 76-seat jets may be increased above 120 by three 76-seat jets for each aircraft above the number of aircraft in the baseline fleet operated by the Company (in service, undergoing maintenance and operational spares) as of CBAID. The baseline fleet number will be 440+N, in which N is the number of aircraft (in service, undergoing maintenance and operational spares but not including permitted aircraft types) added to the Company’s baseline fleet from NWA. The number and type of all aircraft in the Company’s fleet on CBAID will be provided to the Association. The number of 70-seat jets plus 76-seat jets permitted by
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Section 1 B. 40. [/FONT][/FONT]may not exceed 255.


Exception: Up to the 36 EMB-175s that were operated and/or ordered by Northwest prior to CBAID may continue to be operated with up to a maximum gross takeoff weight of 89,000 pounds.





 
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Right but what he is stating is this. Currently they are not allowed to have more than 120 or so 76 seat jet a/c. Now for every mainline jet that comes on property they get three more 76 seat jets to a max of 255. We are not at 255 yet. This will help though.

I need to check, but these 9's may have been included in the baseline fleet size.
 

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Right but what he is stating is this. Currently they are not allowed to have more than 120 or so 76 seat jet a/c. Now for every mainline jet that comes on property they get three more 76 seat jets to a max of 255. We are not at 255 yet. This will help though.

I need to check, but these 9's may have been included in the baseline fleet size.

Without looking it up, I believe that the baseline for Delta Aircraft was set however the NW baseline was yet to be determined. This was one of my big issues with the JPWA.

The scope section of the JPWA is so full of holes I don't know why either MEC supported it.

:puke:
 

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You know why VPR. It is not a front burner issue. We are not willing go use our negotiating capital for fixing it.
 

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The number of 70-seat jets plus 76-seat jets permitted by
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Section 1 B. 40. [/FONT][/FONT]may not exceed 255.

Anyone know how many of these we already have? I only know of the 72 between Compass/Mesaba. How many 70-76 seaters are there total, including the Delta connection planes?

Good news if 30 -9's are coming back. Still haven't seen a source for that though.
 
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