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Jimmie Johnsons G150 off the end at Key West

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Brakes Failed. Sure they did, Ace.

When are these race teams going to stop hiring the hick F#ck cowboys who are going to eventually kill them. Of all the people, you would think Hendrick would have a well structured 1st class operation after losing so many family members in a King Air crash a few years back. That plane had outdated databases (out of date 12+ months is I recall) and the pilots got lost. WTF? You got lost? Well, getting lost got you dead.

ProPilot or some wonderful avmag did a Nascar write up a few years back. On pic of these pilots with bolo ties, huge J.R. Ewing Texas belt buckles, cowboys hats, etc. It was laughable. Truly laughable.

Even if this plane lost it brakes, do the T/Rs not work? Are they not so effective as to prevent an overrun? I am not buying it. I suspect we'll soon be racing about some cowboy stick jockeying that took place here and just about kill Rick himself.

BTW, the loser running Hendrick's department at the time of the crash....you know, the guy responsible for how the place runs, after the crash, he assumed the role/title of Director of Flight Operations.

Hendricks and all those teams needs to hire an outsider with a broom and some professionalism. Somebody who will go in and shut that place down, restructure it, the do it right. You know, someone who gives a ********************.
 
One of the network stations said they reported brake problems while on the approach.

I'm not up on the G150 numbers, but (unless they were on fumes) it seems to me they might have considered diverting to a longer piece of concrete.
 
rettofly said:
One of the network stations said they reported brake problems while on the approach.

I'm not up on the G150 numbers, but (unless they were on fumes) it seems to me they might have considered diverting to a longer piece of concrete.
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Brake problems on approach? Then why not land at Navy? I'm not buying it.
 
Anyone know what back up brake systems 150 has?

Hawker F/O: I cant see just T/R's stopping any mid size on 4800 feet. Hawker might WITH Lift dump.

Not familiar with the 150. Other than a anti-skid failure, or hydraulic failure, I can not think of anything they would have known in advance.

We are also assuming the press reported the fact of a known condition in advance correctly. They could have announced after touch down. If they did know they had brake issues and still went in to 4800ft, that seems less than smart.
 
I never trust the press to report the facts, especially when it comes to aircraft. Let's wait for the dust to settle a bit.
 
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Bleeds On said:
I never trust the press to report the facts, especially when it comes to aircraft. Let's wait for the dust to settle a bit.
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I read to where the brakes failed right at the end of the landing roll out. The radio call was made to the tower from one of the pilots. Who really knows at this point and time. I'm sure they will figuare it out in a few months.
 
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Unless one of the posters here was in the cockpit, I see no reason for them to speculate on the cause of the accident or the capabilities of the flight crew.

The cause will be determined.

Things happen, hell, today a LOT 767 landed gear up in Warsaw becuase the gear could not be lowered. Like I said, things happen, some we have control over, some we do not.
 
HawkerF/O said:
Brakes Failed. Sure they did, Ace.


Hendricks and all those teams needs to hire an outsider with a broom and some professionalism. Somebody who will go in and shut that place down, restructure it, the do it right. You know, someone who gives a ********************.
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Jeez. Someone spit tobacco in your face at the FBO?
 
While I know nothing of HMS' flight ops other than their history...

One might be surprised just how many "International Standard"-rated organizations across multiple industries have really crappy cultures & operational history/practices...regardless of the manual on the shelf or the results of a (paid) auditor.
 
BoilerUP said:
While I know nothing of HMS' flight ops other than their history...

One might be surprised just how many "International Standard"-rated organizations across multiple industries have really crappy cultures & operational history/practices...regardless of the manual on the shelf or the results of a (paid) auditor.
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+1, Boiler.
 
BoilerUP said:
While I know nothing of HMS' flight ops other than their history...

One might be surprised just how many "International Standard"-rated organizations across multiple industries have really crappy cultures & operational history/practices...regardless of the manual on the shelf or the results of a (paid) auditor.
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Amen....I know people who fly for ""serious"" Global Express and Gulfstream operators...that I wouldn't let drive my second car.
 
meko500 said:
Good for you HawkerFo You tell it like it is!!! Brake Problems, BS!
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Heck yeah! Throw the crew under the bus! No airplane has ever had a brake failure! Impossible!!! Had to be the crew!! No need for an investigation.:erm:

PS. I have never had anti-skid activate without a skid either.
 
Well, if anything, you'll likely never ever have to brief Rick and Linda on the importance of keeping your friggin seatbelt fastened!
 
I found it quite interesting that in all the pictures I could find neither bucket was out and the spoilers were retracted. If you were rolling off the end dont you think that one, if not both would be in a condition to land? Things that make you go hmmmmmm.
 
CorpCaptain said:
I found it quite interesting that in all the pictures I could find neither bucket was out and the spoilers were retracted. If you were rolling off the end dont you think that one, if not both would be in a condition to land? Things that make you go hmmmmmm.
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I suppose it depends on how they shut the plane down before exiting. It could be the evac checklist items would result in TR's being stowed as well as the spoilers.

If I recall, that plane has 731's on it. So if they shut down via the thrust-levers, you'd have to stow the TR's to get the levers into cutoff. You'd likely only see the TR's out if you shut down with the T handles.

Be interesting if anyone reports any skid marks.
 
Spoilers would have gone down quickly. With the nose gear removed, hydraulics were gone. One of the pictures I saw showed the nose gear laying in the ditch.

Squat switch issue? Unfamiliar with the aircraft.
 
400A said:
Spoilers would have gone down quickly. With the nose gear removed, hydraulics were gone. One of the pictures I saw showed the nose gear laying in the ditch.

Squat switch issue? Unfamiliar with the aircraft.
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Yep, didn't know the gear came off.

On another note, it's it's darn nice to be able to call up Gulfstream in SAV and tell 'em to send a plane to haul us out of there!
 
Thats the other issue I found funny. Does anyone know what they flew out of EYW to get home? I'm assuming that it was one of his other aircraft. I'll be interested to see if JJ sticks with the 150 moving forward.
 
CorpCaptain said:
Thats the other issue I found funny. Does anyone know what they flew out of EYW to get home? I'm assuming that it was one of his other aircraft. I'll be interested to see if JJ sticks with the 150 moving forward.
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Go back to the Hawker Jimmie! WAY better looking and lift dump would have been very nice!!

That 150 is one ugly airplane!
 
400A said:
Go back to the Hawker Jimmie! WAY better looking and lift dump would have been very nice!!

That 150 is one ugly airplane!
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But the G150 is more efficient, flying further and faster for less fuel, with a nice-sized external baggage compartment.
 
BoilerUP said:
But the G150 is more efficient, flying further and faster for less fuel, with a nice-sized external baggage compartment.
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The G150 burns less fuel on a given trip but top the tanks and it carries half the payload of the Hawker. Efficiency is lost if you have to fly 2 G150's to move 8 people nonstop instead of 1 Hawker. Also the Hawker is superior when it comes to landing on runways like KEYW. And, as previously stated, the G150 IS butt-ugly.
 

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