jets for jobs at ASA?

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General :

I see your point. Your problem is that ALPA's ratification of your 2000 contract is under review in the Courts.

Besides, why do you think a US Air style jets for jobs program is the smart move to make? Please tell me of an example where this jets for jobs protocol has been a success?

Do you really want to come down here and slug it out with ASA, Comair, Eagle, Chautauqua, Skyway and Mesa to see who can fly the cheapest? Remember the US Air E170 pilots undercut the CC Air "hugely concessionary" contract and they make around $5.00 to $6.00 less than I do.

What is your MEC thinking - are they thinking?

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[Swaayze]

Actually I think you're going to see that the J4J program is already very successful for the regional carriers participating. Most furloughed U pilots are not taking the positions which is very beneficial for the regionals' pilot groups, as they now have many positions they wouldn't have otherwise if not for J4J. For the mainline furloughees, they've had automatic opportunities in a tough job market, and all have now had the opportunity to bid on Captain's positions at various carriers. For the wholly-owned U Express pilots, they have an opportunity (however shaky it may be) to move to mainline if (and only if) they choose.

The other side of the coin of course, is that it has really hurt the compensation of airline pilots in general, but that's a whole other topic.

Face it folks, this is a huge realignment of the airline industry and its caste system. Adapt or die. Although I'm not very familiar with the intricacies of the Delta system I think a J4J/MidAtlantic type of deal would probably work out ok. Something's gotta give or DAL will not be the least bit competitive in the new marketplace.

 

[InclusiveScope]

Actually I think you're going to see that the J4J program is already very successful for the regional carriers participating. Most furloughed U pilots are not taking the positions which is very beneficial for the regionals' pilot groups, as they now have many positions they wouldn't have otherwise if not for J4J. For the mainline furloughees, they've had automatic opportunities in a tough job market, and all have now had the opportunity to bid on Captain's positions at various carriers. For the wholly-owned U Express pilots, they have an opportunity (however shaky it may be) to move to mainline if (and only if) they choose.

The other side of the coin of course, is that it has really hurt the compensation of airline pilots in general, but that's a whole other topic.

Swaayze,
With all due respect, IT IS NOT A WHOLE DIFFERENT TOPIC. Let's go over what the J4J program does for the regional pilot. Here is what you said about this program:

"For the wholly-owned U Express pilots, they have an opportunity (however shaky it may be) to move to mainline if (and only if) they choose."

and

"The other side of the coin of course, is that it has really hurt the compensation of airline pilots in general, but that's a whole other topic"


So to summerize, you are saying that the regional pilot is getting a job at a lower payrate and a possible shaky opportunity to move to a low payed "mainline" job in exchange for allowing it's union to limit what it could have flown at a higher payrate. I'm missing the "benefit" here.