Jets for jobs 190s at United?

[inflightboi175]

I heard a rumor republic is going to be doing jets for jobs for furloughed united guys on the 190. anyone else here this?

 

[CesnaCaptn]

Are you implying that Republic is going to fly e190s for UA? Or are you implying that UA pilots will be hired by Republic and might fly e190s for their branded operation?

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Ah, scope..

 

[BoilerUP]

anyone else here this?

Won't happen unless UAL ALPA relaxes small jet scope; the only regional that can fly more than 70 seats for UAL is Air Wisconsin.

Here are some pertinent sections:

1-K-10 "Feeder Carrier" means a Domestic Air Carrier that,
when engaged in code sharing with the Company:

1-K-10-a Does not operate any aircraft that utilizes an
engine with an external propeller ("Turbo/Prop Aircraft")
other than Turbo/Prop Aircraft that are certificated for
seventy-eight (78) or fewer seats and have a maximum
permitted gross takeoff weight of less than seventy-five
thousand (75,000) pounds; and

1-K-10-b Does not operate any aircraft that utilizes a
turbine-driven engine without an external propeller ("Jet
Aircraft"), other than Small Jets

1-K-22 "Small Jets" means (a) Jet Aircraft that are
certificated in the United States of America for seventy (70)
or fewer seats and a maximum permitted gross takeoff weight
of less than eighty thousand (80,000) pounds and (b) up to
eighteen (18) specific aircraft with certificated seating
capacity in excess of seventy (70) seats operated by Feeder
Carrier Air Wisconsin Airlines Corp. ("AWAC"). These
eighteen aircraft are identified as the "AWAC Quota".
Currently, the AWAC Quota is filled by BAe-146 aircraft with
the following tail numbers: N463AP, N179US, N181US,
N183US, N606AW, N607AW, N608AW, N609AW, N610AW,
N611AW, N612AW, N614AW, N615AW, N616AW, N290UE,
N291UE, N292UE, and N156TR. AWAC may replace any
aircraft within the AWAC Quota with: (i) any other BAe-146 or
AVRO 85 aircraft each with no more passenger seats than
were carried in the actual operation of the replaced aircraft,
or (ii) any other aircraft with a maximum certificated seating
capacity in the United States of eighty-five (85) seats and a
maximum certificated gross takeoff weight in the United
States of up to ninety thousand (90,000) pounds.

 

[Mike man]

Don't let that happen...take it back.

 

[CesnaCaptn]

How is CAL not considered a "feeder carrier," or how is that domestic code share not restricted?

 

[Anonymous2]

I heard a rumor republic is going to be doing jets for jobs for furloughed united guys on the 190. anyone else here this?

I Doubt it.

 

[Erlanger]

The CEO of Skywest has told us acouple of times over the past few months that UAL has mentioned that they want Skywest to fly CRJ900s for them eventually. I wonder if UAL has also approached Republic about this too in flying E-190s for them. Who else has UAL put feelers out to? Sounds like UAL has other plans then what the pilots will want. I can't imagine their MEC not knowing about this.

 

[Jungle Prop]

Flamebait

 

[chqflyer]

That scope language looks pretty tight. I guess the reverend could just defer 30 seats on each 190 to get around it though. :erm:

 

[Yuppyguppy]

UAL will be dead and gone long before you regional pukes get your hands on anything over 70 seats flying UAL colors...

 

[waveflyer]

Flamebait

You're right... Obvious flame ...
UAL mgmt and the subsequent rolling over by their pilots has never screwed the industry before, so why would it happen again?

 

[rider850]

What is the duration of the AWAC contract? I keep hearing 2015. Is that correct?

 

[145BOSS]

AWAC hasn't flown for United in years. They do provide some of the ground service handling at IAD for the puddle jumpers.

On a side note, I think that scope would be the most interesting part of merging UAL and CAL if it ever came to that. I think merging the seniority lists would be fairly civil as compared to what we would have to negotiate away to get all those "big" RJs off the property.

 

[Draginass]

UAL ALPA doesn't have any scope anymore. Just like Delta. ALPA has bent-over to managements as long as their senior guys can milk a few more years out of what used to be a career. ALPA is ATA's poodle these days.

And now ALPA wants to kill more pilot jobs by wanting to increase the number of hours a pilot can fly per day so senior guys can eek out a little more money in less days into their pathetic concession-ridden paychecks.

ALPA is a pathetic excuse for a pilot union.

 

[rattler]

Jets for jobs my a$$. E190s at mainline? Expect 1000 more furloughs.

 

[Hutchman]

That scope language looks pretty tight. I guess the reverend could just defer 30 seats on each 190 to get around it though. :erm:

No, they can't. The E-190 max gross and pax certification (not actual seats) are above the limits.

 

[SSDD]

Like everything else in this business, scope has run its course. Management seems to have found a way around it.

 

[Splert]

The CEO of Skywest has told us acouple of times over the past few months that UAL has mentioned that they want Skywest to fly CRJ900s for them eventually. I wonder if UAL has also approached Republic about this too in flying E-190s for them. Who else has UAL put feelers out to? Sounds like UAL has other plans then what the pilots will want. I can't imagine their MEC not knowing about this.

Jerry says lots of things. One thing he know is that SkyWest pilots get all flush when he talks about larger jets coming to SkyWest.

The place almost passed out a few years ago when they added 737 rates to the policy manual.

 

[chqflyer]

No, they can't. The E-190 max gross and pax certification (not actual seats) are above the limits.

It was a tongue in cheek comment. The Rev. comes up with some interesting legal interpretations. We've got a full time union-buster on management payroll who's sole purpose in life is to come up with "technicalities".