Jetblue, VA ansd Skywest benefit from ALPA.......again...

[PCL_128]

I rest my case....

If only that were true.

 

[say again]

When you guys are ready to be professional Air Line Pilots... the door is open... ball is in your court.....

Are you implying that JB, VA, and SkyWesy pilots are unprofessional?? You're a real piece of work.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Are you implying that JB, VA, and SkyWesy pilots are unprofessional?? You're a real piece of work.

Well, JB views their pilots as crewmembers, just like gate agents, FAs and rampers.

The uniforms at JB and VA are..... interesting....

There are efforts to strip down the professional status of pilots, ratcheting them down to a general employee status. Professional pilot sounds more expensive than employee.


When you don't have professional status, you can't be professional. Unfortunate that is has to be this way, but unions provide the ability to enforce that status.

A common trait of professionals is a Code of Ethics....

Don't get me wrong, the non union pilots a JB, VA and SW work hard and perform as professional as they can....

But again, this effort by DeMint simply shows that JB, VA and SW pilots take whatever is crammed down their throats.

Do you think deMint came up with this on his own? Or the corporate money that pays his campaigns gave him the idea.... Corporations don't want their pilots to have access to deMint of the political process. They want to get legislation with out interference.... Our Airlines will sell, lie, intimidate and blow smoke to have pilots to just be gear monkeys. Professionals actually sit at the table and be a part of the process. That process is in CapHill.

What is really a kicker is... JB and SW pilots make revenue for their company who in turn use that money to lobby congress to write these kinds of bills. JB and SW pilots and funding their own demise.


So, the JB, VA and SW pilots work hard and try to do the best they can, but they are limited. They aren't professional because they can't enforce it, or back it up.... when the company says do it or you are fired.... the pilots do what they are told..... is that professional?

 

[JoeMerchant]

If only that were true.

Look....it's Rez's other half...

 

[JoeMerchant]

Are you implying that JB, VA, and SkyWesy pilots are unprofessional?? You're a real piece of work.

ALPA's village idiot Rez has always maintained that you have to be union, preferrably ALPA, to be a professional....Is it any wonder it's hard to recruit people that he says aren't professionals? He will never get it...he has been brainwashed....

 

[Skywest Pylot]

ALPA's village idiot Rez has always maintained that you have to be union, preferrably ALPA, to be a professional....Is it any wonder it's hard to recruit people that he says aren't professionals? He will never get it...he has been brainwashed....

Real professionals would demand a legally enforceable contract.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Real professionals would demand a legally enforceable contract.

When I was a flight instructor, I considered myself a professional....I didn't have a "legally enforceable contract"...

There are Skywest, JetBlue, and VA pilots who are more professional than some card caring ALPA pilots....The difference is ALPA will save the jobs of those who aren't as professional....

Were these Northwest/Delta pilots professionals? Do professionals lose total situational awareness for hours? Funny definition of professional.....

 

[PCL_128]

Were these Northwest/Delta pilots professionals? Do professionals lose total situational awareness for hours? Funny definition of professional.....

A professional wouldn't judge his fellow pilots without a complete investigation. But no one could ever confuse you with a professional, anyway.

 

[JoeMerchant]

A professional wouldn't judge his fellow pilots without a complete investigation. But no one could ever confuse you with a professional, anyway.

They admited they were on their laptops....That came from THEM....

I saw plenty of "judging" from my fellow mainline pilots regarding the professionalism of "regional" pilots following the other recent incidents...Save your pontificating for someone who actually believes your BS...

I must be a professional...I'm a card carrying ALPA member...Rez says that makes me a professional....

 

[sweptback]

You are involved in the ASA MEC and the pilots have spoken...They are tired of the same old hardline chest thumping...Pilots voted against the drive because these same "blowhards on a message board" are the same people who are involved in ALPA leadership....INCLUDING YOU!

You assume that I am a member of the MEC -- I'm just a line pilot. I fully admit that I am a blowhard on here but I don't really take this site seriously. It's a good resource for information if you can filter out all the cruft, but as I've said many times, if people make assumptions about anything off of here they're not smart.

 

[buscap]

Joe,

Put your money where your mouth is. Have a backbone and at least resign from the union. Start with that and then your argument about ALPA'a hypocrisy will seem a little less, shall we say, hypocritical.

I'm not saying ALPA is perfect, but your continual ALPA slam with absolutely no mention of a single positive aspect of ALPA is getting old. The good is there, buried in a steaming pile maybe, but it is there no less and should be acknowledged.

How bout at least one sentence start with, "ALPA sucks, but..."

 

[Flightdawg]

What caused the ALPA drive to fail miserably last time at Skywest was the ALPA extremist we have spewing their nonsense and trying to buy your a "yes" vote with lunch and most importantly insulting every pilot who doesn't agree with them.

So you made the decision whether or not to form a union for your own benefit and protection because of one idiot? Wow. Your choice.

ALPA isn't the holy grail and it isn't even the best union. It's just the best airline pilot union available. It needs a lot of improvement, especially regarding regional and cargo pilots. Those changes are happening, but too slowly for some. Since USAir bailed and due to the huge hits at DAL/NWA and United, many ALPA leadership slots have opened and been filled by regional pilots. ALPA is changing for the better. It will change faster if more pilots became involved to help it change.

 

[Caveman]

Rez, which airline do you fly for? I should know this, but I can't remember.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Joe,

Put your money where your mouth is. Have a backbone and at least resign from the union. Start with that and then your argument about ALPA'a hypocrisy will seem a little less, shall we say, hypocritical.

I'm not saying ALPA is perfect, but your continual ALPA slam with absolutely no mention of a single positive aspect of ALPA is getting old. The good is there, buried in a steaming pile maybe, but it is there no less and should be acknowledged.

How bout at least one sentence start with, "ALPA sucks, but..."

Way to go Buscap, you've chased Joe away now.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Once again the union haters do what management loves best and is even willing to pay for.... infighting and divide and conquer.

Too difficult for hater debaters, the issue is access to govt. Airlines and corporations don't want to share govt access, so they can shape laws to their advantage. But the haters would rather fight their fellow pilots. It is turning the pilots of this profession into wage slaves. Unfortunately there are those pilots all too willing to do just that.... it is self destructive.

Unionism is why Jetblue pilots need to remove themselves from 'employee' status amongst the FAs, gate agents and rampers and switch to professional status. Join an in house union if need be, but do something. JB management knows this is the only way, legally, give pilots different benefits than other employees. What is good for one employee group is legally binding for all. Until JB pilots change that, they will be treated just like gate agents and FAs. How does JB management want to treat its pilots? Like employees or professionals? How do the JB pilots want to be treated?

It would be interesting if the values committee at JB wanted to created a Code of Ethics for their pilot group. (a great idea... go for it) How would that be received? I haven't been on in house union websites lately... but each group needs to get their own Code of Ethics.

Skywest pilots simply need to man up. Not sure what the logic is in an in-house regional union. The temptation to go in house is everywhere, even at large airlines. USAIR is a classic example. If ALPA is bad, USAPA is a total failure....

The logic to go in house is based upon the ideal that all that matters are local. IOW dealing with only ones own management. (The rules that management plays by is national.) When in actually the pilot profession is national. The future of the professional is going to be determined internationally. In house unions enjoy the small benefit of small group dynamics: it is easier to run a small group than a large one.

However the benefits of being a part of not only a national union, but an international union, a federation actually.... far out weigh the easier path of in house union politics.



Do you want to be a professional Air Line Pilot or a employee?