Jetblue, VA ansd Skywest benefit from ALPA.......again...

[JoeMerchant]

I don't think I'd make a decision about anything based on opinions of people I don't even know on a web board. But that's just me.

Read the posts above and below your post...You just don't get it. I can't tell you how many ASA pilots have come up to me recently and asked how to get rid of ALPA...I don't support that at this time because I like the ability to use DFR to keep DALPA in line...However ALPA support is the lowest I have ever seen it at ASA....I believe the current election results will improve things at ASA, but ALPA has a lot of damage control to do at ASA. These elections were a wakeup call to the status quo die hard ALPA chest thumpers.....The average pilot is tired of it....

ALPA is full of Rez O. Lewshuns....I've seen and heard them in Herndon and here at ASA...When you vote for a union, you are voting to have someone speak for you....As long as people like Rez O Lewshun are those people, don't expect much support....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Well said Joe. Another case in point: Had a crewmember sitting on the fence. Took him down to get some info (and a free sandwich). One the the OC guys shoved a card in his face and told him since he'd taken a sandwich he HAD to send in the card.

Guess what, he wasn't on the fence after that.

It's crap like that and "card check" that are giving unions a bad name.....The thugs just don't get it however....

 

[Erlanger]

Well said Joe. Another case in point: Had a crewmember sitting on the fence. Took him down to get some info (and a free sandwich). One the the OC guys shoved a card in his face and told him since he'd taken a sandwich he HAD to send in the card.

Guess what, he wasn't on the fence after that.

Alot of pilots at Skywest are on the fence and need to be talked to in a mature manner and with intelligent persuation and not the used car saleman mentality. A big thing is that most of the ALPA cheerleaders at Skywest can't answer most questions asked of them and spew the same canned answers. I think alot of pilots are worried that the confrontational ALPA cheerleaders will negotiate with management in the same unnecessary way and defeat the whole purpose of having a union on the premises.

 

[sweptback]

Read the posts above and below your post...You just don't get it. I can't tell you how many ASA pilots have come up to me recently and asked how to get rid of ALPA...I don't support that at this time because I like the ability to use DFR to keep DALPA in line...However ALPA support is the lowest I have ever seen it at ASA....I believe the current election results will improve things at ASA, but ALPA has a lot of damage control to do at ASA.

ALPA is full of Rez O. Lewshuns....I've seen and heard them in Herndon and here at ASA...When you vote for a union, you are voting to have someone speak for you....As long as people like Rez O Lewshun are those people, don't expect much support....

Look, I don't really care why the SkyWest drive failed. I had nothing to do with it, it's not a personal issue to me like it seems to be with you. I'd prefer if they were ALPA, but if they aren't, so be it. That's their decision, not mine. Luckily we at ASA have a framework to do what's best for us -- elections being one of the parts of that framework that show that the system is working.

My point is, to vote against the drive because you didn't like some of the people involved, especially some blowhards on a message board, is foolish.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Alot of pilots at Skywest are on the fence and need to be talked to in a mature manner and with intelligent persuation and not the used car saleman mentality. A big thing is that most of the ALPA cheerleaders at Skywest can't answer most questions asked of them and spew the same canned answers. I think alot of pilots are worried that the confrontational ALPA cheerleaders will negotiate with management in the same unnecessary way and defeat the whole purpose of having a union on the premises.

I can tell you that is what has happened at many ALPA carriers including here at ASA...The same mentality these confrontrational ALPA cheerleaders have here and in person are the way they try and deal with management...There emotion and hatred of anything that isn't ALPA clouds their judgement.

We just had an election here at ASA that will change that because pilots are tired of it....

 

[Erlanger]

I think if ALPA is voted in, you will see bloodbath at Skywest. There are also extreme non-union, ALPA haters that are well known to everyone and there are quite afew. You know they will get no support from the MEC if they ever get into trouble with the company and need ALPA help. They will get thrown under the bus and rolled over and then backed up over again until they're deader then dead.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Look, I don't really care why the SkyWest drive failed. I had nothing to do with it, it's not a personal issue to me like it seems to be with you. I'd prefer if they were ALPA, but if they aren't, so be it. That's their decision, not mine. Luckily we at ASA have a framework to do what's best for us -- elections being one of the parts of that framework that show that the system is working.

My point is, to vote against the drive because you didn't like some of the people involved, especially some blowhards on a message board, is foolish.

You are involved in the ASA MEC and the pilots have spoken...They are tired of the same old hardline chest thumping...Pilots voted against the drive because these same "blowhards on a message board" are the same people who are involved in ALPA leadership....INCLUDING YOU!

 

[JoeMerchant]

I think if ALPA is voted in, you will see bloodbath at Skywest. There are also extreme non-union, ALPA haters that are well known to everyone and there are quite afew. You know they will get no support from the MEC if they ever get into trouble with the company and need ALPA help. They will get thrown under the bus and rolled over and then backed up over again until they're deader then dead.

As a former ALPA cheerleader, and volunteer, I can tell you that even people who supported the union are thrown under the bus if you publically disagree with ALPA....That isn't allowed in ALPA...

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Alot of pilots at Skywest are on the fence and need to be talked to in a mature manner and with intelligent persuation and not the used car saleman mentality. A big thing is that most of the ALPA cheerleaders at Skywest can't answer most questions asked of them and spew the same canned answers. I think alot of pilots are worried that the confrontational ALPA cheerleaders will negotiate with management in the same unnecessary way and defeat the whole purpose of having a union on the premises.

I have yet to hear a reasoned and intelligent answer as to why Skywest, JB or VA pilots don't think they need to tow the line.... just like everyone else.

If there is a good reason why, let's hear it...


This news article is a perfect example... all the haters have come on and bash ALPA, but yet they can't even address the fact that they will benefit from ALPA working to put down this bill before DeMint can put it on the floor.

So instead of reading this news article and seeing the logic as to why they need to tow the line, just like everyone else, the freeloaders would rather complain that they got disprespected by an OC member or they got thier feelings hurt on a moniker messeage board.


When you guys are ready to be professional Air Line Pilots... the door is open... ball is in your court.....

 

[JoeMerchant]

I have yet to hear a reasoned and intelligent answer as to why Skywest, JB or VA pilots don't think they need to tow the line.... just like everyone else.

If there is a good reason why, let's hear it...


This news article is a perfect example... all the haters have come on and bash ALPA, but yet they can't even address the fact that they will benefit from ALPA working to put down this bill before DeMint can put it on the floor.

So instead of reading this news article and seeing the logic as to why they need to tow the line, just like everyone else, the freeloaders would rather complain that they got disprespected by an OC member or they got thier feelings hurt on a moniker messeage board.


When you guys are ready to be professional Air Line Pilots... the door is open... ball is in your court.....

I rest my case....

 

[PCL_128]

I rest my case....

If only that were true.

 

[say again]

When you guys are ready to be professional Air Line Pilots... the door is open... ball is in your court.....

Are you implying that JB, VA, and SkyWesy pilots are unprofessional?? You're a real piece of work.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Are you implying that JB, VA, and SkyWesy pilots are unprofessional?? You're a real piece of work.

Well, JB views their pilots as crewmembers, just like gate agents, FAs and rampers.

The uniforms at JB and VA are..... interesting....

There are efforts to strip down the professional status of pilots, ratcheting them down to a general employee status. Professional pilot sounds more expensive than employee.


When you don't have professional status, you can't be professional. Unfortunate that is has to be this way, but unions provide the ability to enforce that status.

A common trait of professionals is a Code of Ethics....

Don't get me wrong, the non union pilots a JB, VA and SW work hard and perform as professional as they can....

But again, this effort by DeMint simply shows that JB, VA and SW pilots take whatever is crammed down their throats.

Do you think deMint came up with this on his own? Or the corporate money that pays his campaigns gave him the idea.... Corporations don't want their pilots to have access to deMint of the political process. They want to get legislation with out interference.... Our Airlines will sell, lie, intimidate and blow smoke to have pilots to just be gear monkeys. Professionals actually sit at the table and be a part of the process. That process is in CapHill.

What is really a kicker is... JB and SW pilots make revenue for their company who in turn use that money to lobby congress to write these kinds of bills. JB and SW pilots and funding their own demise.


So, the JB, VA and SW pilots work hard and try to do the best they can, but they are limited. They aren't professional because they can't enforce it, or back it up.... when the company says do it or you are fired.... the pilots do what they are told..... is that professional?

 

[JoeMerchant]

If only that were true.

Look....it's Rez's other half...

 

[JoeMerchant]

Are you implying that JB, VA, and SkyWesy pilots are unprofessional?? You're a real piece of work.

ALPA's village idiot Rez has always maintained that you have to be union, preferrably ALPA, to be a professional....Is it any wonder it's hard to recruit people that he says aren't professionals? He will never get it...he has been brainwashed....

 

[Skywest Pylot]

ALPA's village idiot Rez has always maintained that you have to be union, preferrably ALPA, to be a professional....Is it any wonder it's hard to recruit people that he says aren't professionals? He will never get it...he has been brainwashed....

Real professionals would demand a legally enforceable contract.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Real professionals would demand a legally enforceable contract.

When I was a flight instructor, I considered myself a professional....I didn't have a "legally enforceable contract"...

There are Skywest, JetBlue, and VA pilots who are more professional than some card caring ALPA pilots....The difference is ALPA will save the jobs of those who aren't as professional....

Were these Northwest/Delta pilots professionals? Do professionals lose total situational awareness for hours? Funny definition of professional.....

 

[PCL_128]

Were these Northwest/Delta pilots professionals? Do professionals lose total situational awareness for hours? Funny definition of professional.....

A professional wouldn't judge his fellow pilots without a complete investigation. But no one could ever confuse you with a professional, anyway.

 

[JoeMerchant]

A professional wouldn't judge his fellow pilots without a complete investigation. But no one could ever confuse you with a professional, anyway.

They admited they were on their laptops....That came from THEM....

I saw plenty of "judging" from my fellow mainline pilots regarding the professionalism of "regional" pilots following the other recent incidents...Save your pontificating for someone who actually believes your BS...

I must be a professional...I'm a card carrying ALPA member...Rez says that makes me a professional....

 

[sweptback]

You are involved in the ASA MEC and the pilots have spoken...They are tired of the same old hardline chest thumping...Pilots voted against the drive because these same "blowhards on a message board" are the same people who are involved in ALPA leadership....INCLUDING YOU!

You assume that I am a member of the MEC -- I'm just a line pilot. I fully admit that I am a blowhard on here but I don't really take this site seriously. It's a good resource for information if you can filter out all the cruft, but as I've said many times, if people make assumptions about anything off of here they're not smart.