JetBlue upgrade times

[ultrarunner]

So, after 8 years, if attrition below you equals at least 400 numbers, you could be the junior, reserve captain.

Discuss...

Yeah, that's possible, but more likely if fuel stays high (very likley ) there will be a furlough before you get a chance to upgrade.

 

[CaptainSpaz]

Yeah, that's possible, but more likely if fuel stays high (very likley ) there will be a furlough before you get a chance to upgrade.

Oooook then.... Thanks for the keen insight.

 

[ultrarunner]

Oooook then.... Thanks for the keen insight.

Sorry Capt...just being realistic.

 

[coogebeachhotel]

Well then, by all means, go there!

What was that ole saying. Something about forrest and trees. Ahh never mind.

Some people just don't get it.........

 

[CaptainSpaz]

Sorry Capt...just being realistic.

I am a complete realist. The fact-based hypothetical I presented was intentionally liberal just to make sure the "juicers" didn't cry foul. And believe me, it is a heck of alot more realistic than what potential newhires might be hearing. I am not sure what the buzz is this year, but reality is a helluva lot different than the party line in 2007.

I realize the state of current affairs, but you are going to have to come with something more informed than "Furloughs are coming!!" to get some purchase here, my friend.

JetBlue has one of the lowest CASMs in the industry, so let's talk numbers and facts.

Spaz

 

[Guam360]

Good analysis, Spaz.

I left JB last August and I came up with close to the same numbers.

My rough calculation indicated that an expected upgrade to line holding 320 Captain was effectively, never (I was around 1840 when I left). As you indicated it may be possible to be a very junior Capt on the bus but with years of reserve in front of you.

However, my decision to leave was still a tough one and upgrade time was not a primary factor. As we all know it can change for the better or worse in a heartbeat.

Wow, I guess my decision to go to Kalitta Air is paying off. I have been here since June 2007 and already I missed upgrade in the 747 by 1 number in the April 1st class.
Looks like I should be able to hold a spot in the June upgrade class, 1 year to upgrade, pretty sweet. At JB, looks like another couple years, and add a reserve line forever on top of that.....

no really, good luck over there.

 

[cgmason1]

Wow, I guess my decision to go to Kalitta Air is paying off. I have been here since June 2007 and already I missed upgrade in the 747 by 1 number in the April 1st class.
Looks like I should be able to hold a spot in the June upgrade class, 1 year to upgrade, pretty sweet. At JB, looks like another couple years, and add a reserve line forever on top of that.....

no really, good luck over there.

Are you trying to brag about flying for Kalitta?

Really?

To each their own and JB needs improvements in allot of areas-but really?

 

[Cloudroller]

I'm not necessarily
DAL: Stopped hiring. When they restart how long to hold narrow body CA? 8+? 10+?

UAL: Same as above

SWA: Slowed hiring to a crawl. 10+ upgrades.

CAL: Still hiring. Upgrades same as B6.

LCC: Started hiring. Never upgrade.

NWA: Hiring. 10+ upgrades.

UPS: Not hiring. Upgrades 8+.

FedEx: Not hiring. Upgrades 7+.

AAA: Still have furloughs. Upgrades 15+.



YMMV

Where are you getting you info? My friends at DAL are saying a 17 to 20 year upgrade, and WN is close to 16. But you did put + behind all your numbers.

 

[Daytonaflyer]

I agree. The above post is baffling. Where are you getting your data?
LCC: started hiring. Never upgrade???

Not sure where you got that from.
The last upgrades at my LCC were at 12 months. The next ones will be around 16 months, and the ones after that should go back down to about 14 months. Far from "Never".

 

[CaptainSpaz]

I agree. The above post is baffling. Where are you getting your data?
LCC: started hiring. Never upgrade???

Not sure where you got that from.
The last upgrades at my LCC were at 12 months. The next ones will be around 16 months, and the ones after that should go back down to about 14 months. Far from "Never".

LCC is the ticker symbol for US Airways. Let me guess... you went to Riddle? :laugh:

 

[Daytonaflyer]

So you make fun of where I graduated while in the safety of your living room behind your computer, and that makes you a cool guy? Way to go cool guy.

No no, no need to say anything. You're the cool guy here because you can make fun of me online. Damn you're cool; you must get so much ass. I'm gonna name my first born after you. Little Captain Spaz.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Are you trying to brag about flying for Kalitta?

Because he gets to stay in the Five Towns for free!

I meant "live" in the Five Towns for free.


Woohoo!

 

[Guam360]

Because he gets to stay in the Five Towns for free!

I meant "live" in the Five Towns for free.


Woohoo!

Dude, I love the pound cake, and the fresh bagels for breakfast, I eat no less than five of those little chocolate donuts that they put out there with a glass of milk.

I actually do like it here.

I am just stoked the upgrades here are 1 year or less!
I haven't been in the 5 Towns lately, We started S.A. Flying and have been in a Sweet Hampton Inn in MIA, and layovers in Buenos Aires, Argentina; Campinas, Brasil; Santiago, Chile; Iquique, Chile.

and the surf in Iquique is insane!!!

 

[CaptainSpaz]

So you make fun of where I graduated while in the safety of your living room behind your computer, and that makes you a cool guy? Way to go cool guy.

No no, no need to say anything. You're the cool guy here because you can make fun of me online. Damn you're cool; you must get so much ass. I'm gonna name my first born after you. Little Captain Spaz.

Is this what the experts call Riddle Rage?

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Dude, I love the pound cake, and the fresh bagels for breakfast, I eat no less than five of those little chocolate donuts that they put out there with a glass of milk.

I actually do like it here.

I am just stoked the upgrades here are 1 year or less!
I haven't been in the 5 Towns lately, We started S.A. Flying and have been in a Sweet Hampton Inn in MIA, and layovers in Buenos Aires, Argentina; Campinas, Brasil; Santiago, Chile; Iquique, Chile.

and the surf in Iquique is insane!!!

So you're getting fat in a cheap motel then flying redeyes for 14 days at a stretch? You didn't have to leave jb to lead that kind of extravagant lifestyle.

1 year or less upgrades? -- either there are lots of retirements, or lots of growth, or lots of attrition. Or could it be that too many CAs are choking on stale chocolate donuts in the lobby of the Five Towns?

 

[Daytonaflyer]

Oh CaptainSpaz,
Why do people like you insist on bashing guys who went to ERAU? What grounds do you have to talk smack to me for where I went to school?
The so-called "cocky Riddle student" you b!tch about is a myth, he doesn't exist.

Don't believe me? Just search for a cocky Riddle guy saying his school's the best on this forum...you won't find one. Search for one on any forum. You won't find them there either. It's a myth, a lie.

Search these forums for a Riddle student trash talking YOUR school. Search for one saying they're better than you for being a Riddle grad. Go ahead, do it. You won't find it. They don't exist. Yet guys like you continue to bash them.

You'll never find an ERAU student on here saying they're god's gift to aviation. You won't find them doing that in the real word either. Guys like that are very very rare.

ERAU has the biggest aviation program in the country and that's what makes them a target for others.
Just like the USA is a wealthy and powerful nation, it is often the target of jokes from other countries, like France.
That's it, isn't it?
Figuratively speaking, you're the "France" of the aviation world.

ERAU grads have consistently been some of the nicest, safest, and most proficient pilots I've ever flown with. In fact, out of the dozens of ERAU pilots I've flown with, I can't think of a single one who wasn't a nice guy and a pretty good pilot.

What do you have against a group of students who don't talk smack about your school, they don't bash you, and they're just trying to get a good education to make a career in aviation?

Please respond...France.

 

[82spukram]

Well I happen to know Spaz and I went to Riddle (my $50000 mistake) I transferred in (not what I was expecting) and I have flown with probably 2 dozen riddle guys and 3 of them come to mind of why the school gets a bad rap. That said knowing Spaz, he was just having fun with you and sadly ,for you, after your tirade you made yourself look like one of "those guys".

 

[Bavarian Chef]

For years I thought Embry Riddle was like Troy University or Phoenix Online, you know one of those card table colleges that military bases have.

Then I found out about their fantastic football program and all the hot chics.

 

[redbook]

For years I thought Embry Riddle was like Troy University or Phoenix Online, you know one of those card table colleges that military bases have.

Then I found out about their fantastic football program and all the hot chics.

Chef versus Riddlers....

this should be good.

 

[Daytonaflyer]

82spukram,
Spaz took the first shot. I guess France can't speak for himself so his little buddy has to step in. But of course you're not one of "those guys" either, are you?