JetBlue to Make Major News Announcement

[jetblue320]

Ok, well, if you know all the facts I am glad. I am just curious why you spent the time researching JB compensation if you are a happy DL guy? Unhappy maybe? Lining up for a JB interview perhaps? Or, not interested in the least?

 

[FlyDeltasJets]

Do a search. I won't go into it again.

I'm glad you are happy at jb. I wish you the best.

 

[Eagleflip]

FDJ--thanks for the courteous and thoughtful posts--and I'm not kidding.

I'm not going to lie--this announcement ref. the EMB 190's took me by complete surprise. I spent all Tuesday in a blue funk, pardon the pun.

But, after listening to the boss' rationale via the internet I understand the desire to go into another aircraft and markets.

Most of all (and die hard airline types will scoff at this) I trust Dave and David to make intelligent decisions concerning our company. They trust me to fly the jet without interference, direct or indirect. Heck, David flew on my jumpseat just last week after working the folks in the cabin for no-kidding three hours and fifteen minutes. All he said at the end was a heartfelt "Thanks for what you do." Genuine? Yes. Effective in keeping our crewmembers happy. Yes. Does it translate into a clean management style that focuses on the right mix of crewmember and customer satisfaction? I think it does.

I've trusted them this far and in all frankness, JB rocks as a place to work. I will continue to trust them well into the future--lets see where that takes us.

Hopefully, CCDiscoB is correct. Perhaps by then all of the majors will be recalling furloughees and the profession will be a bit more manageable--and profitable-for all of us.

 

[skirt]

I'm glad you think so, jet, but I have done the research. The facts don't bear you out.

Dear FlyDeltaJets,

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For you perhaps the research does not work out that JB is a good place to work. Maybe that will change if your union agrees to wage cuts? Who knows. As I said before on a different thread, money is not the only thing that drives job satisfaction for many (though you did disagree with me, so we don't have to re-debate that issue).

I too have done the research. Coming from United, I do think that JB is a good place to work. Again, it all depends on what you are looking for. Different strokes for different folks. Having researched the company ad nauseum for the last 6 months, I am ready to go to a company that has smart leadership, ethical based employee relations, and a product everyone can be proud of. The people at United are great, but the leadership certainly has a lot to be desired, thus the culture is not optimum to create a good product. There are a few companies that seem to understand that good employee culture creates a good end product, namely JetBlue, Southwest and Alaska. There may be others that I am not familiar with, but United is not one of them.

Skirt

 

[FLB717]

I am impressed that JB is getting EW190's. They are basicly doing the opposite direction we at AAI have. They started with 150ish sized aircraft and are working to the 100 seat market to provide small city service. AAI started in the 100 seat market and are working to the 150ish side. The only major difference is the Air Wiskey guys who fly the CL65 for us. (great bunch by the way). Rumor has it that our new type will be made public at the Paris Airshow. (50 orders 50 options) Plus we should have close to 100 B717's but the end of next year. The move at JB does not surprise me, it really makes a lot of sense. A lot of A320's only fit in so many markets with no feed support.

 

[FlyDeltasJets]

Please don't misunderstand. I never said that jb was not a great place to work. What I did say was that their compensation packages were not "among the best." They are, however, good for such a new company. I only hope they continue to improve.

I recognize that people enjoy working there, and I wish them the best. I am also happy to see that their mgt did not try to outsource flying in the new 190's. It's nice to see them at the mainline carrier, for it is in no way an RJ.

(not that I believe rj's should be outsourced either, but that's a topic for another thread)

 

[JayDub]

You know I'm kidding, FDJ. But even though Jaydub asked for it, I'm not sure we ought to go there again this thread.

Bad Jaydub. Bad BAD Jaydub. *smack!*

Ooooh, Blue Dude, this conversation could only go down hill! LOL!

I am just darn tired about hearing how things don't measure-up to people's standards that have absolutely no stake in the conversation.

FDJ and General Lee,
Please judge our pay rates when we are a major. Until then, we have work rules (not to mention pay) like no airline either our age or, for that matter, size. When we are Delta's size, maybe we'll match your pay rates at that time. I don't know, but then again, neither do you.


Respectfully,

JayDub

 

[FlyDeltasJets]

Jaydub,

Many of us do feel we have a stake in the conversation. You feel that the compensation packages of the lcc's have no effect on those of the majors.

Others disagree.

We'll leave it at that. Really, I was just making a joke, and didn't intend to turn this into a battle.

Feel free to have the last word.

 

[Eagleflip]

I know JayDub, and his last word is likely to be "pizza..."

 

[FlyDeltasJets]

mmmm......pizza

 

[JayDub]

Jaydub,

Many of us do feel we have a stake in the conversation. You feel that the compensation packages of the lcc's have no effect on those of the majors.

Others disagree.

We'll leave it at that. Really, I was just making a joke, and didn't intend to turn this into a battle.

Feel free to have the last word.

(shrug)

 

[bottomfeeder]

It's funny, all these jetblue fanboys have the same attitude as the people express fanboys of the 80's. Let them enjoy their time in the sun. Blue Kool Aid has no flavor until you put some sugar in it.

 

[Skank]

Thanks, you were blocking my sun there for a minute. Flydeltasjets, thanks for posting your opinion in a respectful, thoughtful way. It gets old hearing how we ought to do things from guys who have no clue and are working under bankruptcy protection.

 

[FlyDeltasJets]

Furloughed,

You are welcome to blame my motivations on whatever you like, but I can assure you, it ain't jealosy.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

furloughed again,
Delta is NOT 'outsourcing' to ASA and Comair. They are w/o's of Delta and they are assigned routes by Delta just as mainline. DO NOT confuse us with ACA, Sky, Chit and others.

 

[furloughed dude]

Outsourced may have been a poor choice of words. But Delta is not using "mainline" pilots to fly a ton of routes (let me say they are no different from any network carrier). Why? Because they can pay these workers pennies to fly for them.

FDJ, I might be more worried about the use of regional carriers that Delta uses. Your scope clause is among the worst of the worst. I might be more concerned about their effect upon all of our wages instead of Jetblue (a company three years old). I bet the majority of people at ASA or Comair would prefer Jetblue's agreement as opposed to their contract.

Also, my airline (and yours too) are envoking force majeure to allow them to furlough pilots that were supposedly protected. You have to wonder how solid these contracts really are.

 

[FlyDeltasJets]

Furloughed,

You were right the first time when you said "outsourced." I could not care less that Delta is replacing me with pilots from an airline they own, it still means I lost my job!

I have to laugh at the rest of your post, only because you are apparently new on this board! If you would, click on the "search" button below this post, and go through some of my posts. You will find that I have wasted WAY too much time complaining about the very things that you mentioned. You are 100% correct, you're just preaching to the choir!

Thanks for the post.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

explain how delta is 'outsourcing' flying? Does ASA and comair fly routes assigned to them by Delta or not? Let me see, Chit was given the MCO flying by Delta. It did not go to either mainline or ASA/Cmr. That went to another company NOT owned by Delta. THAT is outsourcing. Why did Delta not put mainline there on that flying?
No, he was not 'right'. If Delta had kept the flying in house, mainline or the w/o's you would still be flying, would that not be correct?

 

[FlyDeltasJets]

Delta is an airline. cmr is an airline. ASA is an airline. CHQ, ACA, EGL, etc are airlines.

Delta flying is being transferred to other airlines. Regardless of the reason, the flying is being outsourced from Delta pilots to pilots from other airlines.

If Delta kept the flying at mainline, then yes, I would still be flying. If they outsourced it all to their WO's, then no, I would not be.

They are outsourcing the flying. Whether they give 100% of that outsourced flying to airlines they own, or divide it between all the connection carriers means very little to me. They are still replacing high paying jobs with lower paying one.

That is our fault. We blew it, and continue to do so, to the detriment of the profession.

(You see, unlike many on this board, I am willing to concede that actions at my airline do affect pilots from other airlines)

 

[Redtails]

Do you consider code sharing a way of outsourcing too then? I could see some of the benifits of expanded route structures and all but with NWA, CAL, and DAL getting together next week, where you were competitors before, it would seem that management would be apt to reduce flights where overlapping occurs.