AAsRedHeadedbro
Havin' fun at the track!
- Joined
- Mar 10, 2002
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Who said I never flew another jet? I have not flown a large jet, but I do have some (not a lot, I must admit) experience from many years back in a corporate jet - the Citation III (the swept wing version, not the near jet). It was a nice airplane, if not a bit small.
You say the Bus is a .82 airplane? Is that normal, every day cruise? Or is that Go-home-power? If it's normal cruise, I stand corrected.
My story about the 737 has no holes in it. It happened just a few days ago. SWA operates quite a few of the Next Generation 737's that have a normal cruise of about .80. Sure, the old one's were slow, but I suspect that the way the SWA guys were moaning, they were probably in a NG.
As for the climb, yup, I admit it's a dog. But if you read my post carefully I said 300 in the climb slowing to 270 up high. I've never had New York Center or any other Center for that matter "chew me a new one". And since I am a reserve slave currently based in ORD, and formerly based in BOS, I have had quite a bit of experience with this bird in the Northeast and Chicago, not to mention the West Coast and DFW areas. Yea, if you’re doing 270 right out of 10,000' they'll chew you out, but I don't do that. 300's what I go for. As I said before, the bird does not perform as well as a Boeing or a Bus and I admit that openly.
As for Dutch roll in cruise - operator error is all I can say. I have flown with quite a few pilots who seem to be oblivious to the possible cause of the constant wing wagging at altitude: the airplane is slightly out of trim. Therefore it begins to roll slightly (maybe 1 or 2 degrees). The autopilot corrects it and then eases up a bit. The airplane again begins a roll. The autopilot again corrects it. On and on it goes. I will usually ask the other guy to turn off the autopilot to see if the airplane’s out of trim. It almost always is. Trim the airplane for steady hands off flight and re-engage the autopilot. Problem solved. It has worked for me every time.
Radar? Yea, you've got to be conservative with it because of that little dish. It definitely is the weak link. No excuses there. I wish I had your airplane’s fat nose and big dish. But I don’t.
Crosswind landings? I've had that handlebar hit my leg one time during a crosswind landing. It hasn't happened since. As they say "sit like a girl" for a crosswind landing.
As far as soundproofing. I stand by my statement. I've been told that the airplane is really quiet in the corporate configuration. They say most of the noise is from the fuselage, not the windshield. Make any assumptions you want about the windshield. Maybe you are right. I have not had the opportunity to sit in the Legacy and compare.
As far as your beloved airbus’s performance. So what? I never said that the Embraer could keep up with it in any way. They do not compare. Try to find that implication anywhere in my post. In fact, I said, "I will admit that the airplane is not in the same class as the Airbus." What I was trying to do was counter your blanket statement about the EMB being a POS, not say that it compared favorably with the Airbus. It does not. However, you imply that the airbus is the greatest thing since sliced bread. One of my friends flew 737's, 757, and 767's for United. He now flies the Airbus. He doesn't like it. He is actually thinking about going back to the 737. So I guess not everyone shares your view of the plane. But I guess he just does not understand the airplane like you do or he would probably be smitten with it.
Long Haul is NOT six hours, BTW. Coast to Coast. It’s a milk run. Long Haul is 9 to 14 hours plus. That's long haul. Six hours is a yawn for a true long haul airplane and its crew. My point was that speed is relative. The true long haul jets will do .85 for 12 plus hours at normal cruise. Speed is all relative. You think I'm slow, and the 747 pilots think you're a moving speed bump. So what.
The purpose of my original post was to illustrate that the EMB is not a POS as some imply. It certainly is not anywhere near being a perfect plane, but no airplane is.
Just my opinion.
You say the Bus is a .82 airplane? Is that normal, every day cruise? Or is that Go-home-power? If it's normal cruise, I stand corrected.
My story about the 737 has no holes in it. It happened just a few days ago. SWA operates quite a few of the Next Generation 737's that have a normal cruise of about .80. Sure, the old one's were slow, but I suspect that the way the SWA guys were moaning, they were probably in a NG.
As for the climb, yup, I admit it's a dog. But if you read my post carefully I said 300 in the climb slowing to 270 up high. I've never had New York Center or any other Center for that matter "chew me a new one". And since I am a reserve slave currently based in ORD, and formerly based in BOS, I have had quite a bit of experience with this bird in the Northeast and Chicago, not to mention the West Coast and DFW areas. Yea, if you’re doing 270 right out of 10,000' they'll chew you out, but I don't do that. 300's what I go for. As I said before, the bird does not perform as well as a Boeing or a Bus and I admit that openly.
As for Dutch roll in cruise - operator error is all I can say. I have flown with quite a few pilots who seem to be oblivious to the possible cause of the constant wing wagging at altitude: the airplane is slightly out of trim. Therefore it begins to roll slightly (maybe 1 or 2 degrees). The autopilot corrects it and then eases up a bit. The airplane again begins a roll. The autopilot again corrects it. On and on it goes. I will usually ask the other guy to turn off the autopilot to see if the airplane’s out of trim. It almost always is. Trim the airplane for steady hands off flight and re-engage the autopilot. Problem solved. It has worked for me every time.
Radar? Yea, you've got to be conservative with it because of that little dish. It definitely is the weak link. No excuses there. I wish I had your airplane’s fat nose and big dish. But I don’t.
Crosswind landings? I've had that handlebar hit my leg one time during a crosswind landing. It hasn't happened since. As they say "sit like a girl" for a crosswind landing.
As far as soundproofing. I stand by my statement. I've been told that the airplane is really quiet in the corporate configuration. They say most of the noise is from the fuselage, not the windshield. Make any assumptions you want about the windshield. Maybe you are right. I have not had the opportunity to sit in the Legacy and compare.
As far as your beloved airbus’s performance. So what? I never said that the Embraer could keep up with it in any way. They do not compare. Try to find that implication anywhere in my post. In fact, I said, "I will admit that the airplane is not in the same class as the Airbus." What I was trying to do was counter your blanket statement about the EMB being a POS, not say that it compared favorably with the Airbus. It does not. However, you imply that the airbus is the greatest thing since sliced bread. One of my friends flew 737's, 757, and 767's for United. He now flies the Airbus. He doesn't like it. He is actually thinking about going back to the 737. So I guess not everyone shares your view of the plane. But I guess he just does not understand the airplane like you do or he would probably be smitten with it.
Long Haul is NOT six hours, BTW. Coast to Coast. It’s a milk run. Long Haul is 9 to 14 hours plus. That's long haul. Six hours is a yawn for a true long haul airplane and its crew. My point was that speed is relative. The true long haul jets will do .85 for 12 plus hours at normal cruise. Speed is all relative. You think I'm slow, and the 747 pilots think you're a moving speed bump. So what.
The purpose of my original post was to illustrate that the EMB is not a POS as some imply. It certainly is not anywhere near being a perfect plane, but no airplane is.
Just my opinion.
