Jetblue supports Abu Dhabi PreClearance!!!! Horrible!!!!

[tailhookah]

Captain Moak's view... ALPA's view:

http://www.alpa.org/portals/alpa/deptpages/govtaffairs/issues/AvDaily53012_Moak_USCustomsPreclearance.pdf

 

[tailhookah]

links provided regarding UAE funding/backing/support of terrorism... or lack of oversight which allows backdoor funding (support)...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/223330


http://www.ict.org.il/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=2ulQKubhoxY%3D&tabid=426

Wake up lemmings. Our own government is aiding foreign airlines w/ tax payer dollars to come after your job, your future. Why are they doing this? Because the UAE lobbies hard in Washington and pays off your Congress to allow this oversight and pass funding bills with your money to build and fund these pre-clearance facilities to benefit foreigners... you don't see this stuff set up in Germany, Italy, France, Japan, China... no, you see it in the ME. It's a bad precedent. It's happening and plans for more are on the way.

Take your fracking heads out of your sand hole and wake up. Our careers are under fire backed and funded by US!

Tail....

 

[fareview]

Copy and pasted from your link which was written by US intelligence based in UAE:

Post has limited evidence South Asian expatriates are being recruited or radicalized in the UAE.

There is no evidence any of these groups have ties to extremist groups. In fact, the UAEG actively works to channel zakat from nationals and expatriates to the Red Crescent Authority, whose activities and employees it monitors closely.

While it can be assumed that the Pakistani and Afghani populations in the UAE represent a wide range of political views, political activism among expatriates is discouraged by UAE authorities.

All mosques operate under the direct supervision of the UAEG. None have ties to Afghanistan or Pakistan, aside from the nationalities of congregants. All sermons and announcements in UAE mosques are tightly controlled by the UAE Government.

There are no known Pakistani or Afghani clerics in the UAE.

All clerics/imams are supervised by the UAEG and are not involved in political activities.

For national security reasons, the UAEG closely monitors all expatriates, particularly those from Pakistan (the largest expat community in the UAE) and Afghanistan (given concerns about extremism/terrorism). The specific plans are not known.

Post has no evidence that business leaders are engaged in fundraising or other ties to extremists,

There are no known Pakistani or Afghani clerics in the UAE. The Imam who delivers the English language Friday sermon in Abu Dhabi (i.e., the language of many South Asians, is American).

3) (U) PLEASE PROVIDE INFORMATION ON ANY CHARITIES RUN BY AFGHAN AND PAKISTANI EXPATS.

Not applicable. In order to be registered, charitable groups must be founded by 20 Emirati nationals.

 

[fareview]

While I cannot say anything specific here, rest assured that US presence in the UAE is significant and valued by the US govt.

Start talking real pls.

fv

 

[tailhookah]

From the second link... I put the first in there to show that it's obvious there is no overt link to the jihad... but a financial link via shady backchannels that the government chooses to not enforce...

A present-day relationship between the UAE and the Taliban still exist. As a result of reasons that will be discussed later, the Taliban agents working within the UAE are relatively unobstructed in their money laundering schemes.

As the Wikileaks cables will show, although it poses a large threat, the UAE government is currently willing, however relatively unable to hinder the Taliban?s operations within the UAE. Furthermore, both undercover Taliban agents and Taliban sympathizers within the UAE increasingly inhibit any effort made by the UAE government.5

although the Taliban seldom commits large acts of terrorism outside the boarders of Afghanistan, the funding flowing through the UAE can aid the Taliban in offering a helping hand to other organizations as was seen in their cooperation with al-Qaeda in the attacks of September 11th.

The cables indicate Taliban fundraisers infiltrating the country and targeting specific wealthy Emirates in order to bolster support, the eventual goal being monetary support ? they are often times successful.22 Several specific cases can be viewed to exemplify this. Haji Khalil is a known Taliban operative working out of Kabul. Wikileaks cables claim Khalil has made several visits to the UAE, presumably to rally financial support. This known member of the Haqqani network is suspected to have set up business fronts in the UAE in order to launder money back to the Taliban.23 Furthermore, the same cable depicts Mullah Zaif; a former Guantanamo Bay inmate frequents the UAE in order to receive financial support from unknown sources within Dubai.24

The cables between the US State Department and the US Embassy in Dubai have given insight into an increasing problem that plagues the UAE. For several previously mentioned reasons the UAE has become a perfect platform from which to launch money laundering operations. The Taliban capitalizes on many deficiencies within the structure of the UAE?s internal and border control in order to exploit both their local as well as using the UAE, Dubai in particular, as a hub to channel illegal funds and drugs from several sources back to Afghanistan and other worldwide destinations.

While the government does not overtly support the taliban, the wealthy emirates that do (as mentioned) are very wealthy and have a say in what happens w/ the leadership... or family. Let's face it, those governments are a show, a few well connected billionaires really pull the strings in these UAE "Emirates"... they are all connected and the reason certain avenues are not protected (border areas) is to let this stuff happen. The UAE basically lets the taliban/al qaeda to do this to get a hall pass from anything bad happening on thier soil...

All the while our tax payer dollars support a pre-clearance facility to aid and abet thier state funded airlines which have more planes on order than the combined wealth or market cap of AA, UAL and Delta. So continue to think it's not a big deal... continue to be ignorant. It's a threat dummies. Wake up.

tail

 

[fareview]

Unreal...too much spin in to handle. Your Skyteam partner is Saudia, but that's okay.

As to state sponsored airlines:

Many foreign flag carriers are state-owned 45% of the members of the three global alliances have some degree of state ownership

Alliance ownership

Fully government

owned

Croatia Airlines Garuda Indonesia*(Skyteam )

EgyptAir Saudi Arabian Airlines(Skyteam)

Ethiopian Airlines Vietnam Airlines (Skyteam)

South African Airways

Majority

government owned

Adria Airways Aeroflot (Skyteam)Finnair

Air China Aerolineas Argentinas (Skyteam) Malaysia Airlines

Air New Zealand China Airlines Qatar Airways

LOT - Polish Airlines China Eastern(Skyteam ) SriLankan Airlines*

Shenzhen Airlines Czech Airlines (Skyteam)

Thai Airways Middle East Airlines (Skyteam)

TAROM (Skyteam )

Minority

government owned

Singapore Airlines Air France (Skyteam) Royal Jordanian

S7 Airlines

*Future member Source: CAPA

Form of ownership is competitively neutral. This is reflected in the US's globally emulated Open Skies policy that does not distinguish between privately-held and state owned carriers. As former US Under Secretary of State, Robert Hormats put it:

?The issue the US and other nations face is not whether SOEs (State-Owned Enterprises) are inherently good or bad, but whether governments give SOEs preferable finance or regulatory treatment, or provide them discriminatory access to government procurements or domestic markets at the expense of their competitors.?

Robert Hormats,

former US Under

Secretary of State

 

[fareview]

From CAPA - the last paragraph says it all

"The state ownership/competitive distortion argument is especially misplaced in the aviation sector given the significant number of airlines that have some degree of state ownership. Many global airlines started as state-owned flag carriers, including the European ?big three? of Air France, British Airways, and Lufthansa. Over time, they have been privatised in varying degrees. For instance, Lufthansa was a state-owned enterprise until 1994, and the French Government continues to own 18.6% of Air France. Globally, state investment in carriers remains common as ownership structures continue to evolve.

The three global airline alliances, whose members reflect a cross-section of international carriers, dramatically illustrate this point. 45% of the members of these alliances have some degree of state ownership. Some are minority government owned like Star member Singapore Airlines, SkyTeam leader Air France and oneworld member Royal Jordanian.

Others are majority government owned such as Star members Air China and Air New Zealand, SkyTeam partners Aeroflot and Aerolineas Argentinas, and oneworld member Malaysia. Yet others are fully government owned and controlled like Star members Ethiopian Airlines and South African Airways and SkyTeam present and future members Vietnam Airlines and Garuda Indonesia.

It is curious, and telling, that one of the most vocal airlines making the state-ownership argument ? Delta ? has numerous state-owned alliance partners yet it does not criticise them, 11 at last count. However, it reserves its state ownership criticism solely for competitors"

 

[fareview]

I also think it's interesting to note that your quotes from links refer to entities exposing loopholes...which is a completely different assertion that the UAE being a state sponsor of terrorism.

Many countries, the US included has had loopholes exposed.

The UAE does not support terrorism, if you knew anything about this area you would know that.

The Saudi govt however of which your Slyteam partner Saudia is 100% owned - tolerates widespread extremist Imans to teach and preach their hate

You need to talk to your boss before pontificating to others.

fv

 

[tailhookah]

The issue is US tax dollars going towards a foreign carrier, to aid that foreign carrier vs. US carriers. The money spent does not help US carriers, but foreign carriers from a region that is not US friendly. I've spent many years of my life in the ME. Most notably Bahrain and the UAE. Sure, they don't overtly support terrorism, but they covertly allow certain actions to go unchecked. They also subsidize thier state owned airlines, which they are trying to capture as much market share worldwide as they can.

Remember Jetblue in 2001? No one took them seriously... yet now... things are different. Jetblue is a market mover. Soon, some of you libs who think this is ok may be out of a job, due to increased market share from Etihad or Emirates and their unfair advantage vs. the rest of the airline world.

Next we'll all be arguing over cabotage and how you'll say it's not a big deal to drop the law and allow Emirates to fly from JFK to LAX... right?

Fight for your jobs! Don't allow cheap foreign labor to outsource you. I bet you all don't care about Norwegian Air... and think Alpa is a blowhard on that... right?

Do you all know what's happening w/ Norwegian Air? Or are you all too busy celebrating your savings under Obama Care?

Wake the fvck up!

Tail...

 

[fareview]

Ah okay, anti Lib, anti POTUS & a little profanity .

All yours.

fv

 

[Golden Falcon]

The issue is US tax dollars going towards a foreign carrier, to aid that foreign carrier vs. US carriers. The money spent does not help US carriers, but foreign carriers from a region that is not US friendly.

VS US carriers bit has me curious...please clarify..

 

[EWR_FO]

Soon, some of you libs who think this is ok may be out of a job, due to increased market share from Etihad or Emirates and their unfair advantage vs. the rest of the airline world.

Pssst.... you do know which side of the aisle will be supporting this right? I'll give you a hint, it's not the "libs".

 

[tailhookah]

if you think the obama admin has shown any pro labor tendencies, then just ask the Republic pilots who voted 97% for a strike after stalled negotiations w/ Bedford over 8 years yet Obama's admin wont release them... Obama is just as sold out as the right.

Both sides are whacked. The left is whacked more...

tail

 

[tailhookah]

This has all happened under a lib WH and lib Senate... or are you pro Obama lovers still blaming Bush for all the problems?????

tail

 

[EWR_FO]

This has all happened under a lib WH and lib Senate... or are you pro Obama lovers still blaming Bush for all the problems?????

tail

Both sides are a mess but you can guarantee whatever support there is for this comes from the pro-business, free enterprise crowd. The current administration can't stop anyone from proposing anything, they can only deal with it when it is presented to them.

Look where the lobbying dollars are going and you will find out where they are turning to for support.