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All good points GL... but let me know how you feel when you see Etihad 340s parked at the DOMESTIC jetblue gates pushing their pre cleared (by US Customs) pax on B6 codes all over the US.

It's a career problem. Fix it now or let it go... just like the 50 seaters... didn't think it was an issue in 1995 did ya... but it sure fooked things up after 9/11 didn't it?

Tail
 
As I have stated before and pasted analyst remarks too, the US is at a Geographical Advantage. The ME Airlines affect the European and SE Asian airlines, because the UAE is in between Australia and Europe, and everything else in between. Not a big deal for US Carriers. US passengers will NOT fly to the UAE to go to Europe, Asia, Africa, or South America. Nope. The main passenger connections through the ME will be Indians and Pakistanis, because they are in a straight line and it might be a shorter route to go through the ME and connect to the USA. That's it....

Now, the UAE airlines can TRY European flights etc and then onto the US. The analyst in the article I brought up correctly stated that those airlines have stated intentions to go from places like Birmingham, England to Boston. If United can't fill a larger plane than a 757 to a large hub like Newark, how will an EK 777-300ER fill up? Doubtful.

JetBlue code sharing with Etihad at JFK or Emirates at BOS isn't surprising either. How many extra seats are there on an A320 or E190 for those connections? Can an A380 park at the JB terminal at either airport? Business pax don't want to change terminals after customs, they prefer seamless travel. The local family coming to the US to see their daughter, they might not care. They also bought cheap tickets. And as I stated, the connection in the ME will be Indian and Pakistani passengers, not people from anywhere else. JAL now flies 787s from Narita to Boston. The World is opening up, and not many will go through the ME to get to Syracuse via EK and JB. DL had 75 cities under code share with Korean Air through ATL alone, but that was recently dropped because DL and KE got into a turf spat. It doesn't always work out....

The EXIM Bank has curtailed the free loans to the UAE thanks to DL and ALPA shining a light on the situation. Now that bank has to state publicly who they offer those loans to, and Congress has gotten involved. Not as easy to do anymore. I doubt the ME airlines want to not order Boeings either (even though their CEOs threatened not to). Did you know that the A380 is built in France and Germany, and both countries restrict how many cities EK and EY can fly to in their countries? They don't get unlimited cities, even though they ordered A380s. Why? Because the ME airlines don't have a choice! They can have a tantrum and go buy Antanov A124s I guess. That would be hilarious.


Get my point? Geographic advantage. The future is in alliances. DL, AA, and UAL are also finally making bucks thanks to Consolidation and fees, and can defend turf and go on the offensive at the same time. Also, there are still majority owning rights even in Europe. Air Berlin is 49% owned by Etihad, with Alitalia next maybe. Virgin Atlantic is 49% owned by Delta, but you don't see Delta ordering them around. It helps with connections and code shares, but that's it. Alliances still rule, and even Qatari just joined the One World Alliance. It's all expected.

The ME airlines can buy all the planes they want, but the US passenger doesn't want to go there first, and then onto Europe or Asia. Nah.....




Bye Bye---General Lee


PS---also notice a guy or girl like Scoot 11 couldn't come up with any analysis like this, way over "it's" head... It's an idiot...

19000 posts, and still having to suck his way through flight school!
Mom must be real proud kid!
 
All good points GL... but let me know how you feel when you see Etihad 340s parked at the DOMESTIC jetblue gates pushing their pre cleared (by US Customs) pax on B6 codes all over the US.

It's a career problem. Fix it now or let it go... just like the 50 seaters... didn't think it was an issue in 1995 did ya... but it sure fooked things up after 9/11 didn't it?

Tail

Tail,

More than half of those pax on that A340 are going to NYC anyway, and all originated in India or Pakistan. Notice very few airlines go to India from the US, and the business travelers with the big bucks go nonstop, most likely on UAL to EWR. You have to understand that the passengers who go to the US via Etihad or Emirates do not start in Europe or Asia. They start in India or Pakistan, otherwise they are just back tracking to AUH, which doesn't make sense.

The Gulf carriers do have unlimited funds, but they affect the European and SE Asian carriers a lot more than the US carriers, thanks to the Geographic advantage. For the US pilots, it's not a career ender to have a customs facility in AUH. It's financially dumb for our taxpayers, but not something so terrible that huge red flags need to be thrown. And JetBlue might gain some connections, but not high paying business travelers who want seamless travel on the same airline or same terminals. BOS customs isn't close to the JB terminal there, and the JFK JB terminal can't handle a 777-300 at this point I believe.



Bye Bye---General Lee
 
19000 posts, and still having to suck his way through flight school!
Mom must be real proud kid!

You still can't add anything to a debate Scoot. Your Mom disowned you years ago because she knew you would turn out to be a real jack hole. She was right!



Bye Bye---General Lee
 
You still can't add anything to a debate Scoot. Your Mom disowned you years ago because she knew you would turn out to be a real jack hole. She was right!



Bye Bye---General Lee


airliners.net...yay!
 
airliners.net...yay!

Nice avatar! No wonder nobody takes you seriously.... Wow... Do you have toy unicorns in your one bedroom apartment in Yonkers too?



Bye Bye---General Lee
 
You still can't add anything to a debate Scoot. Your Mom disowned you years ago because she knew you would turn out to be a real jack hole. She was right!



Bye Bye---General Lee
I'd bust on your mom, but since the Atlanta Hawks rode her so hard last night, and your sister had to finish for her, I'll leave her alone...for now. You're still a troll, and wanna be. Enjoy flight sim doosh!
 
Says the donut puncher with a Sheen as an avatar! Talk about your homosexual overtones.

Sashay, shante, you silly little freak

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbqAR8hxFi8

Compared to your goofy avatar! Thanks sissy! Go read Harry Potter next! Ahahahaha! Charlie Sheen vs your little girl cartoon? Are you a six year old girl? Yeah you are.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
Compared to your goofy avatar! Thanks sissy! Go read Harry Potter next! Ahahahaha! Charlie Sheen vs your little girl cartoon? Are you a six year old girl? Yeah you are.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Ill take goofy over homosexual.

You pitch or catch?
 
Ill take goofy over homosexual.

You pitch or catch?

Quit dreaming! I do know something though, you love unicorns. Awesome! Speaking of pitching and catching, do you play softball? I bet you do....


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
http://www.usatoday.com/story/todayinthesky/2014/01/23/jetblue-agrees-to-codeshare-pact-with-abu-dhabis-etihad/4795581/

Article says it all... this is a job and career killer. Hopefully Jetblue votes in Alpa. Alpa is very against this for obvious reasons and this will be a big fight for the (hopefully) fledgling Jetblue Alpa MEC. Good luck.

In the meantime Jetblue pilots, you all need to know just how damaging this pre-clearance facility is to YOUR future
Tail

Due to the code share with Jet Blue and AA, many of those arriving pre-cleared pax are bringing revenue to your airline....how exactly does the pre-clear damage your future....if and when the US carriers begin service to Abu Dhabi, they will benefit from the pre-clearance facility as well...
 

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