Jetblue supports Abu Dhabi PreClearance!!!! Horrible!!!!

[fareview]

Unreal...too much spin in to handle. Your Skyteam partner is Saudia, but that's okay.

As to state sponsored airlines:

Many foreign flag carriers are state-owned 45% of the members of the three global alliances have some degree of state ownership

Alliance ownership

Fully government

owned

Croatia Airlines Garuda Indonesia*(Skyteam )

EgyptAir Saudi Arabian Airlines(Skyteam)

Ethiopian Airlines Vietnam Airlines (Skyteam)

South African Airways

Majority

government owned

Adria Airways Aeroflot (Skyteam)Finnair

Air China Aerolineas Argentinas (Skyteam) Malaysia Airlines

Air New Zealand China Airlines Qatar Airways

LOT - Polish Airlines China Eastern(Skyteam ) SriLankan Airlines*

Shenzhen Airlines Czech Airlines (Skyteam)

Thai Airways Middle East Airlines (Skyteam)

TAROM (Skyteam )

Minority

government owned

Singapore Airlines Air France (Skyteam) Royal Jordanian

S7 Airlines

*Future member Source: CAPA

Form of ownership is competitively neutral. This is reflected in the US's globally emulated Open Skies policy that does not distinguish between privately-held and state owned carriers. As former US Under Secretary of State, Robert Hormats put it:

?The issue the US and other nations face is not whether SOEs (State-Owned Enterprises) are inherently good or bad, but whether governments give SOEs preferable finance or regulatory treatment, or provide them discriminatory access to government procurements or domestic markets at the expense of their competitors.?

Robert Hormats,

former US Under

Secretary of State

 

[fareview]

From CAPA - the last paragraph says it all

"The state ownership/competitive distortion argument is especially misplaced in the aviation sector given the significant number of airlines that have some degree of state ownership. Many global airlines started as state-owned flag carriers, including the European ?big three? of Air France, British Airways, and Lufthansa. Over time, they have been privatised in varying degrees. For instance, Lufthansa was a state-owned enterprise until 1994, and the French Government continues to own 18.6% of Air France. Globally, state investment in carriers remains common as ownership structures continue to evolve.

The three global airline alliances, whose members reflect a cross-section of international carriers, dramatically illustrate this point. 45% of the members of these alliances have some degree of state ownership. Some are minority government owned like Star member Singapore Airlines, SkyTeam leader Air France and oneworld member Royal Jordanian.

Others are majority government owned such as Star members Air China and Air New Zealand, SkyTeam partners Aeroflot and Aerolineas Argentinas, and oneworld member Malaysia. Yet others are fully government owned and controlled like Star members Ethiopian Airlines and South African Airways and SkyTeam present and future members Vietnam Airlines and Garuda Indonesia.

It is curious, and telling, that one of the most vocal airlines making the state-ownership argument ? Delta ? has numerous state-owned alliance partners yet it does not criticise them, 11 at last count. However, it reserves its state ownership criticism solely for competitors"

 

[fareview]

I also think it's interesting to note that your quotes from links refer to entities exposing loopholes...which is a completely different assertion that the UAE being a state sponsor of terrorism.

Many countries, the US included has had loopholes exposed.

The UAE does not support terrorism, if you knew anything about this area you would know that.

The Saudi govt however of which your Slyteam partner Saudia is 100% owned - tolerates widespread extremist Imans to teach and preach their hate

You need to talk to your boss before pontificating to others.

fv

 

[tailhookah]

The issue is US tax dollars going towards a foreign carrier, to aid that foreign carrier vs. US carriers. The money spent does not help US carriers, but foreign carriers from a region that is not US friendly. I've spent many years of my life in the ME. Most notably Bahrain and the UAE. Sure, they don't overtly support terrorism, but they covertly allow certain actions to go unchecked. They also subsidize thier state owned airlines, which they are trying to capture as much market share worldwide as they can.

Remember Jetblue in 2001? No one took them seriously... yet now... things are different. Jetblue is a market mover. Soon, some of you libs who think this is ok may be out of a job, due to increased market share from Etihad or Emirates and their unfair advantage vs. the rest of the airline world.

Next we'll all be arguing over cabotage and how you'll say it's not a big deal to drop the law and allow Emirates to fly from JFK to LAX... right?

Fight for your jobs! Don't allow cheap foreign labor to outsource you. I bet you all don't care about Norwegian Air... and think Alpa is a blowhard on that... right?

Do you all know what's happening w/ Norwegian Air? Or are you all too busy celebrating your savings under Obama Care?

Wake the fvck up!

Tail...

 

[fareview]

Ah okay, anti Lib, anti POTUS & a little profanity .

All yours.

fv

 

[Golden Falcon]

The issue is US tax dollars going towards a foreign carrier, to aid that foreign carrier vs. US carriers. The money spent does not help US carriers, but foreign carriers from a region that is not US friendly.

VS US carriers bit has me curious...please clarify..

 

[EWR_FO]

Soon, some of you libs who think this is ok may be out of a job, due to increased market share from Etihad or Emirates and their unfair advantage vs. the rest of the airline world.

Pssst.... you do know which side of the aisle will be supporting this right? I'll give you a hint, it's not the "libs".

 

[tailhookah]

if you think the obama admin has shown any pro labor tendencies, then just ask the Republic pilots who voted 97% for a strike after stalled negotiations w/ Bedford over 8 years yet Obama's admin wont release them... Obama is just as sold out as the right.

Both sides are whacked. The left is whacked more...

tail

 

[tailhookah]

This has all happened under a lib WH and lib Senate... or are you pro Obama lovers still blaming Bush for all the problems?????

tail

 

[EWR_FO]

This has all happened under a lib WH and lib Senate... or are you pro Obama lovers still blaming Bush for all the problems?????

tail

Both sides are a mess but you can guarantee whatever support there is for this comes from the pro-business, free enterprise crowd. The current administration can't stop anyone from proposing anything, they can only deal with it when it is presented to them.

Look where the lobbying dollars are going and you will find out where they are turning to for support.