Jetblue ranked #1

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[wndshr]

So, Jetbluers: How's that 8 in 24 exemption working!?


Why stop there! Let's make it a 12 in 24, now you're reaaaally productive!

Gotta love it....

whoa??? you didn't hear about the jetblue pilot survey???

the question posed was, "do you care what other industry peers think of jetblue and its operation?"

in case you haven't heard, jetblue pilots overwhelmingly responded 99.87%:

"absolutely, positively NO!" just keep it growin and the profit sharing rollin! (some is better than none)
LOL

 

[Waitin' On LUV]

"4 hour productivity" sits

We called 'em airport appreciation sits.

 

[canyonblue]

You guys are geniuses! Before you go about blasting the results, why not check on the testing criteria first. Freakin’ dumb a$$ pilots.

Ditto, I am neither surprised nor impressed that some LCCs are at the top of the list. The airlines with destinations over the oceans and aircraft that will get them there should be in a different category.

It covers nonstop scheduled-service flights between points within the United States (including territories) by the 18 U.S. air carriers that have at least one percent of total domestic scheduled-service passenger revenues, plus 1 other carrier that reports voluntarily.

How about the number of bags we carry to the number you carry? Go back and look at your own numbers. How many mishandled bags did you have when you had 10 airplanes vs now? Are you guys not getting it right anymore? Or is it statistically going to go up as the number of bags increases.

This section gives the rate of mishandled-baggage reports per 1,000 passengers by carrier and for the industry. The rate is based on the total number of reports each carrier received from passengers concerning lost, damaged, delayed or pilfered baggage.

 

[skykid]

the question posed was, "do you care what other industry peers think of jetblue and its operation?"

in case you haven't heard, jetblue pilots overwhelmingly responded 99.87%:

"absolutely, positively NO!"

Now that's interesting. People who REALLY don't care what others think, don't have a need to tell others they don't care.

I apologize for being a smarta$$ on this thread, but when somebody posts "The dynamics are changing..." it is hard not to. Dynamics are changing? Thanks, I hadn't noticed. Back to the original point - I certainly don't begrudge JB from being ranked number 1, that's great. I think you have to group the different airlines when comparing rankings though.

You guys are geniuses! Before you go about blasting the results, why not check on the testing criteria first.

Oh I did check the criteria - still big differences. If you think the operational structure and pressures are the same with international connections I think you are mistaken.

 

[8vATE]

Oh I did check the criteria - still big differences. If you think the operational structure and pressures are the same with international connections I think you are mistaken.

So according to your rationale, the customer should expect a different level of successful service from different types of airlines? The international carrier should not be compared with the domestic LCC in DOT stats?

It is no surprise I'm sure to you or me that some of the worst bag numbers are at "connection/express" carriers trying to shuffle bags between "mainline" operations and their own operation...

But your average customer still wants to be on time, to have their bags at destination and have a satisfactory experience no matter the type of carrier they are on.

Splitting carriers up in different groups will not diminish this expectation.



Seems to me you are pretty "sensitive" about the "dynamics" of the industry..
Maybe you are in denial...
Its easier just to blame AirTran, JetBlue and Southwest.....

ps......
how did the job search in Italy go?.......

Guess there is some serious charter flying going on to Rome right now.......
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[skykid]

No, customers should expect great service from whoever they fly on. Operational differences in the LCCs and Legacy airlines demand they should be grouped differently.


I have never looked for a job in Italy, nor will I ever. Not that there is anything wrong with that. I have done research on the JAA and JAR-OPS in relation to an aircraft accident in Italy, which is related to one of the several jobs I have. Maybe if you keep digging, you can find something else to make yourself feel superior about.

 

[Phaedrus]

8vATE is dotting the landscape!
Maybe it's a distress signal written in Morse Code?! His last message translates: I S 5 (nothing for 6 dots) (nothing for 7 dots) (nothing again for 7 dots) I S H 5 (nothing for 6 dots).
Interesting....

 

[8vATE]

Maybe if you keep digging, you can find something else to make yourself feel superior about.

Superior about?
hmmmmmm

if i'm coming across that way.
it's not my intention at all.

on the contrary,
those with egos in this business seem to fall from their perch quite often.

you just seem to have the "common" disdain for LCCs that a lot of people do.
its easier to "hope" for a return to the past than deal with the present and face the future.
?

 

[DB Cooper]

How many pax are connecting on Jet Blue as a % vs. how many pax are connecting as a % on a hub airline would be a comparable stat. If J.B. has a like % and low mishandled bag count then great job. If the % of connecting pax is siginificantly lower on J.B. then comparing this stat is meaningless. A mishandled bag on a flight from A to B is ridiculous. Mishandling it on a flight from a to b to c is a little less ridiculous.

D.B.

 

[dgs]

So if you can take JB from point A to point C without connecting in point B, you can get there quicker and get your bag more often. Don't you think that's what the customer would prefer? That's why our business model focuses on direct flights.

BTW, last numbers I heard is that about 10% of our customers make connections--mostly to/from upstate NY. Upstaters have always had to connect in NY. We just gave them the option of flying an A-320 instead of an RJ or turboprop.

 

[beaumec]

I don't know about the 8 in 24 or 12 in 24, what I do know is if I was flying for someone and could work 8 days a month and have 80 + hrs of flying I would have more days off to rest on my couch than all of you. Isn't what pilots want, days off?

 

[B6Driver]

Bingo!

 

[Mugs]

Of course if JetBlue gets the exemption, guys will still commute in the day of for these daunting days. I can see it now. A Capt. and F/O both get up at home around 4:30AM for a 6:00AM commuter flight to JFK. By 10:00AM it's a launch to the West Coast (into winter headwinds, contemplating a fuel stop). Turn around and head back to JFK (nasty WX for the return of course) and if things go well it is only a little past midnight when the exhausted crew limps off the airplane.

I remember several years ago when we at UAL were complaining (who, us?) about West Coast - ORD red eyes followed immediately by a morning CVG turn for example to finish the trip. We kind of wanted to be done when the red eye was over. But, in the words of a "distinguished" former UAL executive:

"It is cost effective, and legal."

Just keep repeating that when you're really tired up there and you should snap right back to your senses.

 

[FlyChicaga]

I like the four hour sits. It lets me: Get airport burrito. Eat burrito. Start walking to crew room, realize burrito not sitting well. Hussle in professional quick-walk to nearest bathroom. Go in stall, explode. Hide in stall for 30 minutes to ensure everyone in ear-shot and nose-shot of explosion is boarded on their flights. Continue walk to crew room. Stop again, repeat explosion. Go for a coffee and bagel to calm stomach. Get to crew room, sit down next to hot F/A who is sleeping in lounger next to you. Wake up said F/A with sound of your anus rupturing. Non-shalantly go to crew room bathroom. Explode again. Hide again until the guy who was next to you has an OFF time. Attempt to clean up. Go to rollaboard, get cologne and spray on ass of your pants. Gather belongings, head to airplane.

So like I said, if we didn't have sits, I don't think we'd ever be able to eat at the airport.

 

[Steeler Fan]

I like the four hour sits. It lets me: Get airport burrito. Eat burrito. Start walking to crew room, realize burrito not sitting well. Hussle in professional quick-walk to nearest bathroom. Go in stall, explode. Hide in stall for 30 minutes to ensure everyone in ear-shot and nose-shot of explosion is boarded on their flights. Continue walk to crew room. Stop again, repeat explosion. Go for a coffee and bagel to calm stomach. Get to crew room, sit down next to hot F/A who is sleeping in lounger next to you. Wake up said F/A with sound of your anus rupturing. Non-shalantly go to crew room bathroom. Explode again. Hide again until the guy who was next to you has an OFF time. Attempt to clean up. Go to rollaboard, get cologne and spray on ass of your pants. Gather belongings, head to airplane.

So like I said, if we didn't have sits, I don't think we'd ever be able to eat at the airport.

That's pretty funny!

 

[8vATE]

So like I said, if we didn't have sits, I don't think we'd ever be able to eat at the airport.

Man..

I'm impressed.

For a guy with 1500 hours.. you pretty much summed up the airline pilot
experience..

Question is... what do you learn now?

 

[beaumec]

Of course if JetBlue gets the exemption, guys will still commute in the day of for these daunting days. I can see it now. A Capt. and F/O both get up at home around 4:30AM for a 6:00AM commuter flight to JFK. By 10:00AM it's a launch to the West Coast (into winter headwinds, contemplating a fuel stop). Turn around and head back to JFK (nasty WX for the return of course) and if things go well it is only a little past midnight when the exhausted crew limps off the airplane.

I remember several years ago when we at UAL were complaining (who, us?) about West Coast - ORD red eyes followed immediately by a morning CVG turn for example to finish the trip. We kind of wanted to be done when the red eye was over. But, in the words of a "distinguished" former UAL executive:

"It is cost effective, and legal."

Just keep repeating that when you're really tired up there and you should snap right back to your senses.

Yes, I think what we are doing now is better. commute to work, work 10hrs, delay for 4 hrs and fly the last 2 hrs leg home. 16 hrs duty day! you got a love it. And don't forget the "burrito"

 

[FlyChicaga]

Question is... what do you learn now?

Well, if the 8 in 24 exemption goes through, I'll need to learn how to do the above in the cockpit. Better have the O2 ready. 'Cause you'll only have 30 minutes to get that burrito and eat it in the cockpit on your coast-to-coast treks.

Blue shirts. Blue latex gloves. Blue depends.

 

[beaumec]

this has nothing to do with aviation but how do you put an avatar that is cool on your profile? I know how to change it. I am looking at putting something cool, you know, like you guys.