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I don't agree with you but I realize you won.t vote for ALPA. But please don't rationalize yourself into believing there will be an in-house union. I fly with a lot of guys that don't want a union so they just say that. It just plays into the DR's plan. Just man up and say I won't vote for a union.

At least I'm being honest. Most people smile and nod in agreement, then vote the other way when no one is watching.
 
Some people will never "get it." Let's focus on presenting the facts and hope the majority use logic when making a decision. The ALPA haters are fueled by emotion, which is what the DR relies on. The DR uses logic, and it feeds off the emotion of the employeees. It's Business 101. The fact that B6 now has the worst health care among peers has opened the eyes of many previous no voters. Sadly, this is just the tip of the iceberg. More changes will follow, compliments of the DR. Make no mistake......premium pay is in their crosshairs.

To all the ALPA haters, the only thing stopping you from forming an in-house union is......YOU.
 
At least I'm being honest. Most people smile and nod in agreement, then vote the other way when no one is watching.
PM an in-house interest card when you start the campaign.

I think 3 x 5 index cards are about $2.19 per 300. 3000 cards will cost less than $30.00.

Until you send these cards out you are lying to yourself that you would vote for an in-house. Unless you start it YOURSELF ... no one else will. So the vote is between the DR and ALPA. Not voting for ALPA is NOT voting for an in house and is INSTEAD a vote to keep your COO the CEO of the DR and that has worked out great over the past 5 years.

The only thing stopping the in house effort is those that are in favor of it, like you, are doing NOTHING.

Maybe that was what was wrong at ASA. You were waiting around for someone else to do stuff for you.

It doesn't work that way.
 
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JetBlue is a great place to work. I am sorry that there is the 10% that will never be happy. Ask the people that have come over to JetBlue that have retired from other legacy airlines...............................
 
JetBlue is a great place to work. I am sorry that there is the 10% that will never be happy. Ask the people that have come over to JetBlue that have retired from other legacy airlines...............................

And you came from where...?
 
JetBlue is a great place to work. I am sorry that there is the 10% that will never be happy. Ask the people that have come over to JetBlue that have retired from other legacy airlines...............................

I agree ask them ... you will find them at their legacy airlines.

It was a great place to work until they got their recall.

They only pilot to "retire" from other legacy are those inbreed folks from US Airways and they did that to keep what was left of their pension.

Funny how that works.

We have a CP going around telling anyone that still listens to him that when he left Emery he left with "only a magazine subscription".

Then he has to be reminded that he also left with his pension?

CP: "Oh yeah that too".

Quality leadership.
 
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JetBlue is a great place to work. I am sorry that there is the 10% that will never be happy. Ask the people that have come over to JetBlue that have retired from other legacy airlines...............................


Yeah like the retired Delta guy that can't wait to leave? It's a great place to work as long as you firmly plant your head in the sand. I've enjoyed my job everywhere I have ever worked, from a fleabag check hauler to a crappy regional and several major airlines. We are behind most every major airline out there, it's plain and simple.
 
JetBlue is a great place to work. I am sorry that there is the 10% that will never be happy. Ask the people that have come over to JetBlue that have retired from other legacy airlines...............................


It can be a great place to work! No doubt I enjoy it. The problem is often the leadship here which is making millions siphoning off money with their pet side deals. (aircraft are leased thru the director of the BOD's company, M.Barger owns the caterer, etc...) The company is run as an airline rather poorly. Luckily JB fell into a hugh goldmine of JFK and no matter how much money they waste its been hard to lose money. They try to get some of it back by squeezing crewmembers. How would you like to be in the top 1/5th of all pilots and never be able to get a vacation in the summer. Or never be successful at dropping or adding trips in a 24hr swap period. How about never having enough reserves to ever drop a trip and you need to call in sick to get off. Or the need to fly to the FAR limits to get average pay. Or being promised so many things that never happen because there is no CBA. The 2008 work rules agreed to, have not been implemented yet because they say it requires updated software.
Health care is awful, Lies about the retirement, extremely poor reserve lifestyle. With just a few changes this place would go from descent to great but without pushing this ELT it will never happen
 
And you came from where...?


Does it really matter where he came from. The only thing that matters is the way he will vote. Nothing wrong with being happy as long as you see the facts as they are and vote accordingly.
 
JetBlue is a great place to work. I am sorry that there is the 10% that will never be happy. Ask the people that have come over to JetBlue that have retired from other legacy airlines...............................

It's a GREAT place to work! If you were hired 12+ years ago...
 
It is a great place to work IF:

Your wife is a VP of some other company
You are covered by her health care plan
She has a retirement.

Other than that it is a great place to work if you were hired 12 years ago and:

You are single or

You are former Mil with your own Health care, Retirement and your wife teaches school or sold real estate in the early 2000s.

I'm gonna laugh my ass off when Obama folds retired mil health care benefits into the Exchanges.

How much is being sequestered in a few days?
 
Oh one more ... or you are furloughed from AA and to this day you think the DR is better than ALPA.

BTW, I'm fine here ... but I didn't sell my soul or check my brain like so many of those that the cult saved.

Sorry you have no other skill set other than reading a check list and flaring just before the aircraft says "Retard" ... "Just saying".
 
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Agreed, though he seems to be missing some of those facts....

I hear ya. I am just sick of the he is new so he doesn't know crap. Or he has been here 12 years so he doesn't get it. He is from a regional so he is just happy JB is better than his regional, or he's military so health care doesn't matter, or cape air so he's young and dumb, or US air so he is old and has his, or he has recall right somewhere so he's a short timer. I have seen every prior career path bashed on at one point or another. JB has only been around 12 years so everyone here came from somewhere. So instead of bashing on eachother or saying where they came from or how long they have been here makes them an idiot why don't we all just get along, be happy, and get this vote moving along. I assure you it is easy to be happy, understand all the facts and still act and vote accordingly. Maybe it is just the Carribean meletonin that is making me less pessimistic today. Maybe I will be more angry when I am in the snow of the NE tomorrow.
 
Sometimes you do things just on principle, even if it isn't in your personal interest. In fact, doing something on principle ONLY means something in those cases. It's easy to be principled when the principle is in line with your interests.

I don't care for ALPA National, and the beauty of it all is that I don't have to justify myself to you or anyone else.


You sir are an idiot.
 
Reasons to vote for ALPA representation:

Access to the ALPA online forum

ALPA lanyard for your ID

A gold tiepin in the shape of wings

Nice glossy covered magazine


You can deduct your ALPA dues when you file taxes
 

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